Comments on: The Holy Olympic Torch, Atheism and Tibet http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/the-holly-olympic-torch-atheism-and-tibet/ Watching China Politics from Cyberspace Sat, 26 May 2012 16:47:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: srhttp://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/the-holly-olympic-torch-atheism-and-tibet/#comment-9731 sr Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:38:38 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/the-holly-olympic-torch-atheism-and-tibet/#comment-9731 :) .... Nice post 'tenzin dhonyoe'.Sorry I missed this article last year. Very well written!! from a objective and honest perspective."As writer Wang Lixiong said, how could a boy be happy if you ask him to curse his parents every time before he eats his meal, every time before he puts on his new clothes, even though you provide him with regal food and luxurious clothing? Could he be comfortable? Could he be grateful?We can’t win Tibetans’ heart merely by developing their economy. If we fail to understand this, more conflicts will arise, and they could be intensified into unrest like the current Tibetan incident." :) …. Nice post ‘tenzin dhonyoe’.

Sorry I missed this article last year. Very well written!! from a objective and honest perspective.

“As writer Wang Lixiong said, how could a boy be happy if you ask him to curse his parents every time before he eats his meal, every time before he puts on his new clothes, even though you provide him with regal food and luxurious clothing? Could he be comfortable? Could he be grateful?

We can’t win Tibetans’ heart merely by developing their economy. If we fail to understand this, more conflicts will arise, and they could be intensified into unrest like the current Tibetan incident.”

]]> By: tenzin dhonyoehttp://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/the-holly-olympic-torch-atheism-and-tibet/#comment-1388 tenzin dhonyoe Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:05:13 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/the-holly-olympic-torch-atheism-and-tibet/#comment-1388 tang: This piece if for you and other chinese who think like you: we gain our sense of identity and meaning from our spiritual tradition. Even after years of Chinese communist persecution, our tradition allows us to forgive and make sense out of chaos. It helps us to be human in the face of utter inhuman repression and treatment.All we ask is respect these sentiments... don't insult our spiritual tradition or our lamas. We never killed our parents or friends in the name of any ideology just like you did during the cultural revolution. And we never asked you to destroy our holy temples or to be "liberated", either in the name of communism then or in the name of mateial development now. you pretend you have noble intentions..its very obvious the real motive is Han-nationalism. We say we are ready to live with dragon, but please give us some dignity, some space to breathe. Your mad and uncritical nationalism is choking us. We say yes for for economic development both in china and Tibet. but we say, we respect the essential chinese culture enough to demand some basic human freedoms at the same time. We say treat your own people with restpect, the pro-democracy people and the falun gong devotees, and solve Taiwan issue peacefully. We also say see if you can give us relgious and cultural freedom in a form of a genuine autonomy, not just one on paper! on paper china is the greatest democracy there is, with its citzens completely enjoying human rights. Even the CCPs know at heart that bullshit!You say by " fuck you all tibetans and "western" supporters. kill, nuke. exterminate! fuck the world! We are strong. we don't hear any one any more. we are mad! See our race nationalism roar?" is this the message we are getting?We say, these are not signs of confidence and greatness. It is as if something got so screwed in your brain, yes we are scared, but we are not afraid!If that lone chinese heroe infront of the tanks is not afraid of china, if those unarmed Tibetans are not afraid to raise their voice infront of the one the strongest military forces in the world, DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU CAN INTIMIDATE ORDINARY CHINESE AND TIBETANS, LET ALONE THE ENTIRE WORLD? tang: This piece if for you and other chinese who think like you: we gain our sense of identity and meaning from our spiritual tradition. Even after years of Chinese communist persecution, our tradition allows us to forgive and make sense out of chaos. It helps us to be human in the face of utter inhuman repression and treatment.All we ask is respect these sentiments… don’t insult our spiritual tradition or our lamas. We never killed our parents or friends in the name of any ideology just like you did during the cultural revolution. And we never asked you to destroy our holy temples or to be “liberated”, either in the name of communism then or in the name of mateial development now. you pretend you have noble intentions..its very obvious the real motive is Han-nationalism. We say we are ready to live with dragon, but please give us some dignity, some space to breathe. Your mad and uncritical nationalism is choking us.
We say yes for for economic development both in china and Tibet. but we say, we respect the essential chinese culture enough to demand some basic human freedoms at the same time. We say treat your own people with restpect, the pro-democracy people and the falun gong devotees, and solve Taiwan issue peacefully. We also say see if you can give us relgious and cultural freedom in a form of a genuine autonomy, not just one on paper! on paper china is the greatest democracy there is, with its citzens completely enjoying human rights. Even the CCPs know at heart that bullshit!

You say by ” fuck you all tibetans and “western” supporters. kill, nuke. exterminate! fuck the world! We are strong. we don’t hear any one any more. we are mad! See our race nationalism roar?”
is this the message we are getting?

We say, these are not signs of confidence and greatness. It is as if something got so screwed in your brain, yes we are scared, but we are not afraid!

If that lone chinese heroe infront of the tanks is not afraid of china, if those unarmed Tibetans are not afraid to raise their voice infront of the one the strongest military forces in the world,
DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU CAN INTIMIDATE ORDINARY CHINESE AND TIBETANS, LET ALONE THE ENTIRE WORLD?

]]> By: Tanghttp://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/the-holly-olympic-torch-atheism-and-tibet/#comment-1202 Tang Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:23:00 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/the-holly-olympic-torch-atheism-and-tibet/#comment-1202 Chinese are worshipers of their ancestors. That hasn't changed a lot despite of cultural revolution."Tibetan Buddhism is the spiritual pillar of Tibetans. It has significant status in their life. Looking at the Tibetan pilgrims who prostrate for every step they progress, we can tell that how deeply they are devoted in their spiritual world. Most believers don’t have much material pursuits."Is that stupid or what? Do you want your children to be like that? That piety comes from ignorance. True believer? Buddhism certainly doesn't promote violence. Materialism is not evil. If Religion really prevails, nobody should go to doctors for their illness. Spirituality probably should have more to do with doing good for the whole or abiding by Golden rule. Confucius is not religious and he is the pillar of virtual for generations of Chinese. Chinese are worshipers of their ancestors. That hasn’t changed a lot despite of cultural revolution.

“Tibetan Buddhism is the spiritual pillar of Tibetans. It has significant status in their life. Looking at the Tibetan pilgrims who prostrate for every step they progress, we can tell that how deeply they are devoted in their spiritual world. Most believers don’t have much material pursuits.”

Is that stupid or what? Do you want your children to be like that? That piety comes from ignorance. True believer? Buddhism certainly doesn’t promote violence. Materialism is not evil. If Religion really prevails, nobody should go to doctors for their illness. Spirituality probably should have more to do with doing good for the whole or abiding by Golden rule. Confucius is not religious and he is the pillar of virtual for generations of Chinese.

]]> By: Obama, Tibet and Dignity « Miles from Homehttp://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/the-holly-olympic-torch-atheism-and-tibet/#comment-1172 Obama, Tibet and Dignity « Miles from Home Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:56:39 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/the-holly-olympic-torch-atheism-and-tibet/#comment-1172 [...] happy to live a quiet life observing its modest rituals.  On the other, you have Han Chinese, cleansed by Mao’s Cultural Revolution of almost all respect for anything beyond money, power, and the respect they feel the two bestow [...] [...] happy to live a quiet life observing its modest rituals.  On the other, you have Han Chinese, cleansed by Mao’s Cultural Revolution of almost all respect for anything beyond money, power, and the respect they feel the two bestow [...]

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