Comments on: Tibet: Her Pain, My Shame http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/ Covering China From Cyberspace Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:20:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: atan liar http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-12945 atan liar Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:02:38 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/#comment-12945 I often wonder why nobody, especially the oversea Tibetans, is making any effort to get the Dalai Lama to complain to the Indian Govt. regarding the theft of a large chunk of Southern Tibet which has now become another province of India. His Holiness seems at peace with the loss of such a big part of Southern Tibet which the Indians renamed Arunachal Pradesh in the Mid-70's in the last century. Actually, it was the colonial British govt. which unilaterally carved out that huge slice of border territory from the new weak post-Qing Republican Chinese government in the early 1900s. Subsequent Chinese Governments have never recognized the British wicked demarcation of the border known in the West as the McMahon Line. The Chinese people and government have always been very tolerant with India over the current border situation. I have always felt that it is about time India shows some goodwill by sitting down and talking with China to come to a amicable situation I often wonder why nobody, especially the oversea Tibetans, is making any effort to get the Dalai Lama to complain to the Indian Govt. regarding the theft of a large chunk of Southern Tibet which has now become another province of India. His Holiness seems at peace with the loss of such a big part of Southern Tibet which the Indians renamed Arunachal Pradesh in the Mid-70’s in the last century. Actually, it was the colonial British govt. which unilaterally carved out that huge slice of border territory from the new weak post-Qing Republican Chinese government in the early 1900s. Subsequent Chinese Governments have never recognized the British wicked demarcation of the border known in the West as the McMahon Line. The Chinese people and government have always been very tolerant with India over the current border situation. I have always felt that it is about time India shows some goodwill by sitting down and talking with China to come to a amicable situation

]]> By: flyhigher http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-12886 flyhigher Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:26:19 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/#comment-12886 Why no one points out that Dalai Lama receives contributions from CIA annually? Why no one points out that the "Shangri-La" of Tibet under Dalai Lama's rule was basically a slavery society and violence and killing happened so frequently? Why no one points out that USA has always accepted Tibet is part of China before 1949? Shame on all of you! Why no one points out that Dalai Lama receives contributions from CIA annually? Why no one points out that the “Shangri-La” of Tibet under Dalai Lama’s rule was basically a slavery society and violence and killing happened so frequently? Why no one points out that USA has always accepted Tibet is part of China before 1949? Shame on all of you!

]]> By: atan liar http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-11507 atan liar Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:33:17 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/#comment-11507 How come nobody is calling for a return of the USA to its indigenous population?Or return Alaska which the USA had cheated from the Russian Czar? Or give back the portion of southern USA to the Mexicans? Or return Guandanamo to the Cubans? How come nobody is calling for a return of the USA to its indigenous population?Or return Alaska which the USA had cheated from the Russian Czar? Or give back the portion of southern USA to the Mexicans? Or return Guandanamo to the Cubans?

]]> By: Liang http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-5597 Liang Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:07:55 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/#comment-5597 This is truly what many of us Chinese need to see and express because if not we will regret as a human being and as a Chinese. Tibetans have such beautiful heart that when ever I bring up the topic of Tibet with Chinese who call themselves "Patriots", it just cuts my heart to hear them speak so demeaning of Tibetans as if they are not human. It is shameful and sad state when us Chinese can't do our own research about Tibet and come up with our own understanding rather than just blindly accepting what ever Chinese Media are saying. Freedom to the Tibetan people from Brutal Chinese government and Chinese igorance. This is truly what many of us Chinese need to see and express because if not we will regret as a human being and as a Chinese.
Tibetans have such beautiful heart that when ever I bring up the topic of Tibet with Chinese who call themselves “Patriots”, it just cuts my heart to hear them speak so demeaning of Tibetans as if they are not human.
It is shameful and sad state when us Chinese can’t do our own research about Tibet and come up with our own understanding rather than just blindly accepting what ever Chinese Media are saying.

Freedom to the Tibetan people from Brutal Chinese government and Chinese igorance.

]]> By: Racheal http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-2858 Racheal Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:41:32 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/#comment-2858 Nepacific, I recommend a book by Claude Arpi, a well-known historian called "Tibet: The Lost Frontier. This book would be helpful for you to learn about the history of the Roof of the World and her political contacts with two giant neighbors, India and China. Best Wishes, Racheal Nepacific,

I recommend a book by Claude Arpi, a well-known historian called “Tibet: The Lost Frontier. This book would be helpful for you to learn about the history of the Roof of the World and her political contacts with two giant neighbors, India and China.

Best Wishes,
Racheal

]]> By: jh http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-2853 jh Thu, 14 Aug 2008 04:36:23 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/#comment-2853 @Nepacific: "China needs Tibet as a buffer against its largest future rival, India." This is a strange assumption. I wonder what it is based on. India has never been an "empire" like China. To the contrary, it has been invaded by Persians, Greeks, Moghuls and others. Only independence from British rule created a nation state that is nowadays called India. India through the millenia has exported its culture to Asia (like Hinduism all the way to Bali, or Buddhism to China, Tibet and the rest of Asia) but never any hegemonical power (unlike China). Borders between India, Nepal, Tibet and Bhutan used to be open with free flow of goods, people and ideas... I can't see any justification for your claim. Rather the opposite is true: Tibet for centuries has been a buffer between Indian and Chinese civilization. By sinicizing Tibet the Chinese have actually destroyed the buffer and are now threatening India with territorial claims. If India is going nuclear, it is because it is threatened by China! @Nepacific:
“China needs Tibet as a buffer against its largest future rival, India.”
This is a strange assumption. I wonder what it is based on.
India has never been an “empire” like China. To the contrary, it has been invaded by Persians, Greeks, Moghuls and others. Only independence from British rule created a nation state that is nowadays called India.
India through the millenia has exported its culture to Asia (like Hinduism all the way to Bali, or Buddhism to China, Tibet and the rest of Asia) but never any hegemonical power (unlike China).
Borders between India, Nepal, Tibet and Bhutan used to be open with free flow of goods, people and ideas…
I can’t see any justification for your claim.
Rather the opposite is true: Tibet for centuries has been a buffer between Indian and Chinese civilization. By sinicizing Tibet the Chinese have actually destroyed the buffer and are now threatening India with territorial claims. If India is going nuclear, it is because it is threatened by China!

]]> By: Racheal http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-2843 Racheal Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:32:18 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/#comment-2843 Nepacific, Just out of curiosity, you mentioned that Tibet has been part of China for centuries. I am just wondering based on what documents or any materials you are making such assumption. I am not arguing or anything because you do have the right to express your opinion regarding such sensitive topic, but it would be much better for all of us if you can justify such opinion I just want to share my opinion on the complex history. Before I attended college, I always thought that Tibet was always part of China. However, it was still vague. I started reading books and documents from both Tibetan and Chinese side on this topic. After carefully reading those materials, it is very much hard to come to certain conclusion because both sides have their own version of history. Both seem pretty convincing, but essentially, it seems that Tibetan side of the history contain much more ample evidence than the Chinese side of the history. I, even had conversations with historians from both sides when I was in Beijing [July 2006] and in Dharamsala, India [Aug 2007]. Obviosly, the task was much difficult in Beijing because I understand it is a very sensitive topic to touch upon, especially for someone who does not look anywhere close to Asian. But I manage to do so in both countries and I pretty much cleared some of those vagueness in my mind by doing those multiple task to justify the opinion. Best Wishes, Racheal Nepacific,

Just out of curiosity, you mentioned that Tibet has been part of China for centuries. I am just wondering based on what documents or any materials you are making such assumption. I am not arguing or anything because you do have the right to express your opinion regarding such sensitive topic, but it would be much better for all of us if you can justify such opinion

I just want to share my opinion on the complex history. Before I attended college, I always thought that Tibet was always part of China. However, it was still vague. I started reading books and documents from both Tibetan and Chinese side on this topic. After carefully reading those materials, it is very much hard to come to certain conclusion because both sides have their own version of history. Both seem pretty convincing, but essentially, it seems that Tibetan side of the history contain much more ample evidence than the Chinese side of the history. I, even had conversations with historians from both sides when I was in Beijing [July 2006] and in Dharamsala, India [Aug 2007]. Obviosly, the task was much difficult in Beijing because I understand it is a very sensitive topic to touch upon, especially for someone who does not look anywhere close to Asian. But I manage to do so in both countries and I pretty much cleared some of those vagueness in my mind by doing those multiple task to justify the opinion.

Best Wishes,
Racheal

]]> By: nepacific http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-2836 nepacific Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:50:25 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/#comment-2836 Even though I think China has been excessively criticized over Tibet, I much appreciated Ms. Tang's heartfelt article. And the vicious responses of some Chinese posters are shameful. But I believe that the post-war move toward decolonization into ethnic nation-states has in general been a disaster, leading to untold violence, hatred, and suffering. I agree with the Dalai Lama's general policy of increased autonomy for Tibet, to protect its culture. But independence is a non-starter. A billion and half Chinese are not going to give up a huge chunk of their territory to a few million Tibetans. China needs Tibet as a buffer against its largest future rival, India. And I believe that agitation toward Tibetan independence is in part fomented by US intelligence agencies, since it weakens a potential enemy of the US. Splitting up the Soviet Union worked, so they want to split up China, too. Tibet, in my opinion, has been part of China for centuries, perhaps even since the time that Tibetans helped the Mongols rule China. That Tibetan culture and Chinese culture are different doesn't affect this -- unless you think that every cultural group should have its own nation, and are willing to accept the violence and hatred this will lead to. If Tibet were independent, it would become a political football competed over by China, India, Russia, the US, and any other powers that arise. That unstable situation would not be good for anyone, Tibetans included. Even though I think China has been excessively criticized over Tibet, I much appreciated Ms. Tang’s heartfelt article. And the vicious responses of some Chinese posters are shameful.

But I believe that the post-war move toward decolonization into ethnic nation-states has in general been a disaster, leading to untold violence, hatred, and suffering.

I agree with the Dalai Lama’s general policy of increased autonomy for Tibet, to protect its culture. But independence is a non-starter. A billion and half Chinese are not going to give up a huge chunk of their territory to a few million Tibetans. China needs Tibet as a buffer against its largest future rival, India.

And I believe that agitation toward Tibetan independence is in part fomented by US intelligence agencies, since it weakens a potential enemy of the US. Splitting up the Soviet Union worked, so they want to split up China, too.

Tibet, in my opinion, has been part of China for centuries, perhaps even since the time that Tibetans helped the Mongols rule China. That Tibetan culture and Chinese culture are different doesn’t affect this — unless you think that every cultural group should have its own nation, and are willing to accept the violence and hatred this will lead to.

If Tibet were independent, it would become a political football competed over by China, India, Russia, the US, and any other powers that arise. That unstable situation would not be good for anyone, Tibetans included.

]]> By: Racheal http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/comment-page-2/#comment-2482 Racheal Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:57:22 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/#comment-2482 B-R-A-V-O for speaking up something that you truly believe in :) Best Wishes, Racheal B-R-A-V-O for speaking up something that you truly believe in :)

Best Wishes,
Racheal

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]]> By: K. Sonam Nyima http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-2070 K. Sonam Nyima Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:53:48 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/#comment-2070 Om Mani Padme Hum- Kwan Yin Pu Sa Om Mani Padme Hum- Kwan Yin Pu Sa

]]> By: tenzin rabga http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-2050 tenzin rabga Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:46:58 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/#comment-2050 Tang Danhong la, It felt good, when i read your post in China Digital Times. I don't know, it gave me some kind of hope.......in our dire political situation. Anyway, it is all human problem. And we have to play our part no matter who is right or wrong? Because i don't want to say who is write or wrong. My only hope is Dalai Lama. If we tibetan and chinese are lucky enough to have peacefull future, then definetly something good will happen. if we are destined to suffer in the coming future. Then I am being Tibetan ready to suffer and will let suffer our chinese friend till my last breath. I am really sorry to say this. But this is what i have planned for my long future. I can't go aganist His.Holiness in his lifetime. Most probably Chinese govt is also having a policy of wait and watch. But from the depth of my heart, I pray for peace to everyone. At the same time, I m just a human being like anyother,who is an inflicted with all kinds of emotion. lastly i completely respect your very humane emotions, which doesn't discriminate either tibetan or chinese. Your kind of person is needed from the chinese side. Your being is really rare to find amongs chinese......... Which is the sad thing to know........ Tang Danhong la,

It felt good, when i read your post in China Digital Times. I don’t know, it gave me some kind of hope…….in our dire political situation. Anyway, it is all human problem. And we have to play our part no matter who is right or wrong? Because i don’t want to say who is write or wrong. My only hope is Dalai Lama. If we tibetan and chinese are lucky enough to have peacefull future, then definetly something good will happen. if we are destined to suffer in the coming future. Then I am being Tibetan ready to suffer and will let suffer our chinese friend till my last breath. I am really sorry to say this. But this is what i have planned for my long future. I can’t go aganist His.Holiness in his lifetime. Most probably Chinese govt is also having a policy of wait and watch. But from the depth of my heart, I pray for peace to everyone. At the same time, I m just a human being like anyother,who is an inflicted with all kinds of emotion.

lastly i completely respect your very humane emotions, which doesn’t discriminate either tibetan or chinese.
Your kind of person is needed from the chinese side. Your being is really rare to find amongs chinese………

Which is the sad thing to know……..

]]> By: jh http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-2043 jh Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:34:56 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/#comment-2043 Apart from Tang Danhong's amazingly down-to-earth and sensible article also the comments are a worthwhile read. Thanks CDT for providing a forum for Han Chinese and Tibetans (as well as people from all over the world) to exchange experiences and ideas about current China and its future. It is also heartening that most of the responses are positive. On the other hand, it is also interesting to note that even a Chinese Confucian-cum-Communist education can create fascists like Truly Asia. That reminds me of formerly Communist East Germany that paradoxically nowadays has many more Neo-Nazis than Western Germany. The damage done by decades of one-sided propaganda can be long lasting. The CCP should be wary of what it is breeding... Apart from Tang Danhong’s amazingly down-to-earth and sensible article also the comments are a worthwhile read.
Thanks CDT for providing a forum for Han Chinese and Tibetans (as well as people from all over the world) to exchange experiences and ideas about current China and its future.
It is also heartening that most of the responses are positive.
On the other hand, it is also interesting to note that even a Chinese Confucian-cum-Communist education can create fascists like Truly Asia. That reminds me of formerly Communist East Germany that paradoxically nowadays has many more Neo-Nazis than Western Germany.
The damage done by decades of one-sided propaganda can be long lasting. The CCP should be wary of what it is breeding…

]]> By: Titus http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-1940 Titus Fri, 16 May 2008 02:41:09 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/#comment-1940 One other quick comment: since Ms. Tang is from Chengdu, perhaps she might have thoughts to share about the recent earthquake in Sichuan and its aftermath. My heartfelt best wishes go out to people there. Such a terrifically sad situation. One other quick comment: since Ms. Tang is from Chengdu, perhaps she might have thoughts to share about the recent earthquake in Sichuan and its aftermath. My heartfelt best wishes go out to people there. Such a terrifically sad situation.

]]> By: Titus http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-1939 Titus Fri, 16 May 2008 02:37:58 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/#comment-1939 By far and away the freshest thing I've read from a Han point of view. (Except, of course, for the emails I get from my pal Leah who forwarded this link to me!) Original, thoughtful, insightful, and honest. Here's hoping for more writing from Ms. Tang. I hope her message stimulates more real dialog and provides an antidote to all of the shouting, name-calling, and hysterics surrounding this issue. And if she doesn't have MySpace or Facebook pages, I hope she gets them; I would enjoy reading her writing on an ongoing basis. By far and away the freshest thing I’ve read from a Han point of view. (Except, of course, for the emails I get from my pal Leah who forwarded this link to me!) Original, thoughtful, insightful, and honest. Here’s hoping for more writing from Ms. Tang. I hope her message stimulates more real dialog and provides an antidote to all of the shouting, name-calling, and hysterics surrounding this issue. And if she doesn’t have MySpace or Facebook pages, I hope she gets them; I would enjoy reading her writing on an ongoing basis.

]]> By: Ziyi http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-1927 Ziyi Thu, 15 May 2008 03:46:37 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/#comment-1927 It's not the Chinese people. Chinese people are great. It's just those CCP bast@ards that make us be hated by the rest of the world. It’s not the Chinese people. Chinese people are great. It’s just those CCP bast@ards that make us be hated by the rest of the world.

]]> By: Zhao De http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-1920 Zhao De Wed, 14 May 2008 18:40:05 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/#comment-1920 Chinese people love to be imprisoned by CCP! Chinese people love to be imprisoned by CCP!

]]> By: BoYan http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-1818 BoYan Fri, 09 May 2008 18:28:28 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/tibet-her-pain-my-shame/#comment-1818 This website is banned in China! When will China give freedom to its own people? When will they have the love and compassion like the Tibetan people? This website is banned in China!

When will China give freedom to its own people?

When will they have the love and compassion like the Tibetan people?

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