Comments on: Is Tibet Entitled to Self-Determination? http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/ Watching China Politics from Cyberspace Sat, 26 May 2012 16:47:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: srhttp://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3770 sr Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:54:15 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3770 "John": Don't be a fool. Read the article before you post to the comment section. Anyway, You wrote "The Dalai lama V also has contract with Emperor Kang Hsi acknowledging Chinese overlord over Tibet in return for dislodging the local king and putting him on the political apex of Tibet Contract ia contract has to be respected" ....Once again you pro-communist/colonialists are overstating your PAST Emperor's involvements in Tibetan internal affairs. Besides even if Dalai Lama's and Han Chinese Emperor's relationship of the past were more than a Priest-Patron relationship, which they were NOT, you would have no foot to stand on because the one leg you are standing on you yourselves cut-off during your communist revolution. Get it? "And if the Tibetan majority want independent They will be long time ago " ....What do you mean. THEY DID have independence prior to 1950. No reason to fight for something they already had! The fighting came AFTER 1950 when the PLA invaded! "So all those whinning pro Tibetan raise your weapon and Fight like a man"....The Tibetan people are a strong hardy people that are a mold from their fatherland and Buddhism. While the Chinese might wish that the Tibetans raise there weapons and fight, the Tibetans are wishing that the Chinese pick up there many weapons that they brought and get on the train they built and go back home! Instead all they do is bring more Chinese colonialists and toxic waist to Tibet, and more Tibetan resources out. "They draw McMahon line arbitrarily and convince the Indian that is the demarcation between China and India Even when China never was consulted or agreed to it"....China was never consulted because China had NOTHING to do with it because it was the border between India and TIBET!!! Remember, prior to the 1950 INVASION by the PLA slime, TIBET belonged to TIBETANS. Dont be such an infantile. READ the article before you post!!http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7982410976871193492 “John”: Don’t be a fool. Read the article before you post to the comment section. Anyway, You wrote “The Dalai lama V also has contract with Emperor Kang Hsi acknowledging Chinese overlord over Tibet in return for dislodging the local king and putting him on the political apex of Tibet Contract ia contract has to be respected” ….Once again you pro-communist/colonialists are overstating your PAST Emperor’s involvements in Tibetan internal affairs. Besides even if Dalai Lama’s and Han Chinese Emperor’s relationship of the past were more than a Priest-Patron relationship, which they were NOT, you would have no foot to stand on because the one leg you are standing on you yourselves cut-off during your communist revolution. Get it?
“And if the Tibetan majority want independent They will be long time ago ” ….What do you mean. THEY DID have independence prior to 1950. No reason to fight for something they already had! The fighting came AFTER 1950 when the PLA invaded!
“So all those whinning pro Tibetan raise your weapon and Fight like a man”….The Tibetan people are a strong hardy people that are a mold from their fatherland and Buddhism. While the Chinese might wish that the Tibetans raise there weapons and fight, the Tibetans are wishing that the Chinese pick up there many weapons that they brought and get on the train they built and go back home! Instead all they do is bring more Chinese colonialists and toxic waist to Tibet, and more Tibetan resources out.
“They draw McMahon line arbitrarily and convince the Indian that is the demarcation between China and India Even when China never was consulted or agreed to it”….China was never consulted because China had NOTHING to do with it because it was the border between India and TIBET!!! Remember, prior to the 1950 INVASION by the PLA slime, TIBET belonged to TIBETANS.
Dont be such an infantile. READ the article before you post!!

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7982410976871193492

]]> By: Johnhttp://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3711 John Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:59:27 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3711 And the notion of Tibetan independence is delusion and Lie concocted by the Tibetan in exile and their western supporter. Not a single country recoqnized Tibet as independent country Not in the past, present or in futureJapan aggression against China is violation of sovereign independent country recoqnized by the world over. So invalid comparison by any stretch of imaginationAnyway Japan and China put a closure on bad History and recoqnized that the sad history of the last 50 years is just aberration in long and fruitfull historical relation going back to 2000 years. Instead of looking to the past Both countries and people looks forward to realized their common potentialJapan and China are each other biggest trading partner and People to people relation are blooming There are more than 3 million people who visit each other country and growings everyday And the notion of Tibetan independence is delusion and Lie concocted by the Tibetan in exile and their western supporter. Not a single country recoqnized Tibet as independent country Not in the past, present or in future

Japan aggression against China is violation of sovereign independent country recoqnized by the world over. So invalid comparison by any stretch of imagination

Anyway Japan and China put a closure on bad History and recoqnized that the sad history of the last 50 years is just aberration in long and fruitfull historical relation going back to 2000 years. Instead of looking to the past Both countries and people looks forward to realized their common potential

Japan and China are each other biggest trading partner and People to people relation are blooming There are more than 3 million people who visit each other country and growings everyday

]]> By: jhhttp://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3699 jh Sun, 05 Oct 2008 10:35:06 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3699 "Hypocrisy" must be the most popular argument for Chinese in defense of their occupation of Tibet. But pointing ceaselessly at past (or even present) wrongs of others still does not excuse one's own wrongdoings, does it? Why is it that only Chinese support China's rule of Tibet and not Tibetans themselves? Where are all the Tibetans in support of it? I have not met a single one. Neither did I ever read a single posting by a Tibetan in support of Chinese rule of Tibet. Tibet belonging to China is solely a Chinese notion. It is not shared by the Tibetans. And they are the ones who are concerned. Imagine if Japan had succeeded in its occupation of China, keeping China in its “peaceful co-existence sphere of harmony”. It would publish all kinds of white papers on how much progress it has brought to China, how feudal and backward China was earlier etc.It's a shame that China has become so obviously the oppressor without reflecting on it at all... “Hypocrisy” must be the most popular argument for Chinese in defense of their occupation of Tibet. But pointing ceaselessly at past (or even present) wrongs of others still does not excuse one’s own wrongdoings, does it?
Why is it that only Chinese support China’s rule of Tibet and not Tibetans themselves? Where are all the Tibetans in support of it?
I have not met a single one. Neither did I ever read a single posting by a Tibetan in support of Chinese rule of Tibet.

Tibet belonging to China is solely a Chinese notion. It is not shared by the Tibetans. And they are the ones who are concerned.
Imagine if Japan had succeeded in its occupation of China, keeping China in its “peaceful co-existence sphere of harmony”. It would publish all kinds of white papers on how much progress it has brought to China, how feudal and backward China was earlier etc.

It’s a shame that China has become so obviously the oppressor without reflecting on it at all…

]]> By: Johnhttp://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3672 John Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:36:57 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3672 What it show is that the reactionary never stop in their effort to destabilized and dismembered China even against all the odd !959, 1989, 2008 uprising all failed because there is no support againstHa british grant independece to their colony unwillingly by planting seed of future conflict. See they are promising both both Israeli and Palestinian states And create the longest conflict and misery mankind ever knowDitto with Pakistan and India or arbitrarily carve Africa without any considering of tribal or historical affiliationThey draw McMahon line arbitrarily and convince the Indian that is the demarcation between China and India Even when China never was consulted or agreed to itNow tell me who is the clever colonialist here Now they want independent and democracy for Hongkong when for 250 years They make every decision from Downing street Yeah some Hyphocrite are the britsAnd apropo Younhusband incursion into Tibet and massacred thousand of tibetan just because he want some adventure and fame Yeah some Humanity you brits get off your highhorse and realized your hyphocrisy What it show is that the reactionary never stop in their effort to destabilized and dismembered China even against all the odd !959, 1989, 2008 uprising all failed because there is no support against

Ha british grant independece to their colony unwillingly by planting seed of future conflict. See they are promising both both Israeli and Palestinian states And create the longest conflict and misery mankind ever know

Ditto with Pakistan and India or arbitrarily carve Africa without any considering of tribal or historical affiliation

They draw McMahon line arbitrarily and convince the Indian that is the demarcation between China and India Even when China never was consulted or agreed to it

Now tell me who is the clever colonialist here Now they want independent and democracy for Hongkong when for 250 years They make every decision from Downing street Yeah some Hyphocrite are the brits

And apropo Younhusband incursion into Tibet and massacred thousand of tibetan just because he want some adventure and fame Yeah some Humanity you brits get off your highhorse and realized your hyphocrisy

]]> By: jhhttp://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3659 jh Sat, 04 Oct 2008 08:13:04 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3659 John, as you write: the CIA involvement has been well documented. So has the 1959 uprising, the 1989 uprising and to some extent this year's as well. What does it show? That for 50 years the Tibetans have been rejecting Chinese rule, and that the Chinese can only uphold "normalcy" in Tibet by paramilitary and military force. At least, this was not the case in Hongkong while it was ruled by Britain. I claim that, if Tibet had been a British colony, they would long have regained their independence. Bad luck for them that they weren't... John,
as you write: the CIA involvement has been well documented. So has the 1959 uprising, the 1989 uprising and to some extent this year’s as well.
What does it show?
That for 50 years the Tibetans have been rejecting Chinese rule, and that the Chinese can only uphold “normalcy” in Tibet by paramilitary and military force.
At least, this was not the case in Hongkong while it was ruled by Britain.
I claim that, if Tibet had been a British colony, they would long have regained their independence. Bad luck for them that they weren’t…

]]> By: Johnhttp://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3645 John Sat, 04 Oct 2008 04:22:44 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3645 Who is revolting and invite CIA to come and help them ? That is well documented fact You can even find the interview with participant of that revolt. A sad episode where the Tibetan do the dieing and suffering while their instigator sit comfortably in their suburbiaThey even shot their own people because the Dalai lama doesn't want the outside world to know about the CIA involvement and blew his cover Who is revolting and invite CIA to come and help them ? That is well documented fact You can even find the interview with participant of that revolt. A sad episode where the Tibetan do the dieing and suffering while their instigator sit comfortably in their suburbia

They even shot their own people because the Dalai lama doesn’t want the outside world to know about the CIA involvement and blew his cover

]]> By: jhhttp://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3637 jh Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:47:10 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3637 So, John is asking the Tibetans to become terrorists... What kind of an outdated world view is this? In fact, if the P.R.C. keeps its policies in Tibet in place, it is probably what they will harvest. Great, really...But to return to a serious level of argument: Talking about the rule of law, I did not refer to some emperor some hundred years ago but to the 17 point agreement that China signed with Tibet as well as the Chinese constitution. Both are current and available in written form. And both are not honoured by the CCP. So, John is asking the Tibetans to become terrorists… What kind of an outdated world view is this?
In fact, if the P.R.C. keeps its policies in Tibet in place, it is probably what they will harvest. Great, really…

But to return to a serious level of argument:
Talking about the rule of law, I did not refer to some emperor some hundred years ago but to the 17 point agreement that China signed with Tibet as well as the Chinese constitution. Both are current and available in written form. And both are not honoured by the CCP.

]]> By: Johnhttp://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3636 John Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:07:36 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3636 "And to be clear: Britain ceded its control of India in the face of the Indian independence movement. And it returned Hongkong to China abiding to the contract it had signed and the rule of law. I can see no such behaviour with the P.R.C. yet in face of the Tibetans’ continuing refusal to be be part of the P.R.C".You are right the brits have contract to return Hongkong to China. The Dalai lama V also has contract with Emperor Kang Hsi acknowledging Chinese overlord over Tibet in return for dislodging the local king and putting him on the political apex of Tibet Contract ia contract has to be respectedAnd if the Tibetan majority want independent They will be long time agoRussia is powerfull and bristle with the latest weapon but that does not prevent the Mujahiddin from booting them out of Afghanistan So all those whinning pro Tibetan raise your weapon and Fight like a man “And to be clear: Britain ceded its control of India in the face of the Indian independence movement. And it returned Hongkong to China abiding to the contract it had signed and the rule of law.
I can see no such behaviour with the P.R.C. yet in face of the Tibetans’ continuing refusal to be be part of the P.R.C”.

You are right the brits have contract to return Hongkong to China. The Dalai lama V also has contract with Emperor Kang Hsi acknowledging Chinese overlord over Tibet in return for dislodging the local king and putting him on the political apex of Tibet Contract ia contract has to be respected

And if the Tibetan majority want independent They will be long time ago

Russia is powerfull and bristle with the latest weapon but that does not prevent the Mujahiddin from booting them out of Afghanistan So all those whinning pro Tibetan raise your weapon and Fight like a man

]]> By: srhttp://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3635 sr Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:49:31 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3635 Very well written article. It really brings attention to the very precarious and worrisome position that the UN is in with China as a member. I believe that the situation will really come to a head sooner rather than later. China must be stopped! With China claiming parts of Indian border regions simply because the 6th Dalai Lama was born in this region is hair-brained and a good insight into the way this regime thinks. Laying claim to Tibet because it was part of the ancient Mongol Empire is a VERY scarry notion, and one that should open the eye's of the entire Asian continent including much of Eastern Europe.B.Singhdee: Wow...i've not seen such a fit of misguided intellectual rage in quite awhile. It is obvious that you REALLY dont like British people. Your are doing nothing but simply raising the case "there is plenty of suppression and oppression in the world so why should we care about Tibet"; such a sickeningly lazy and cynical way to think. Very well written article. It really brings attention to the very precarious and worrisome position that the UN is in with China as a member. I believe that the situation will really come to a head sooner rather than later. China must be stopped! With China claiming parts of Indian border regions simply because the 6th Dalai Lama was born in this region is hair-brained and a good insight into the way this regime thinks. Laying claim to Tibet because it was part of the ancient Mongol Empire is a VERY scarry notion, and one that should open the eye’s of the entire Asian continent including much of Eastern Europe.

B.Singhdee: Wow…i’ve not seen such a fit of misguided intellectual rage in quite awhile. It is obvious that you REALLY dont like British people. Your are doing nothing but simply raising the case “there is plenty of suppression and oppression in the world so why should we care about Tibet”; such a sickeningly lazy and cynical way to think.

]]> By: jhhttp://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3616 jh Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:00:38 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/04/is-tibet-entitled-to-self-determination/#comment-3616 I wonder why a Chinese who is so critical of Britain would choose an English name like Mary...And to be clear: Britain ceded its control of India in the face of the Indian independence movement. And it returned Hongkong to China abiding to the contract it had signed and the rule of law. I can see no such behaviour with the P.R.C. yet in face of the Tibetans' continuing refusal to be be part of the P.R.C. Pointing at Britain's past wrongdoings does not make right what China is doing to Tibet! In that sense Mary is right: Seasons change, invaders don't. Except, this time it is China who is the invader. The former victim is turning oppressor herself... I wonder why a Chinese who is so critical of Britain would choose an English name like Mary…

And to be clear: Britain ceded its control of India in the face of the Indian independence movement. And it returned Hongkong to China abiding to the contract it had signed and the rule of law.
I can see no such behaviour with the P.R.C. yet in face of the Tibetans’ continuing refusal to be be part of the P.R.C.
Pointing at Britain’s past wrongdoings does not make right what China is doing to Tibet!
In that sense Mary is right:
Seasons change, invaders don’t. Except, this time it is China who is the invader. The former victim is turning oppressor herself…

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