My Friends, What Do You Want From Us?
In response to the protests against China Olympic Games, the following text is quoted from cbc forums, via C’est la vie blog:
What do you want from us?
When we were called “sick man of Asia”, we were called peril.
When we billed to be the next superpower, we’re called the threat
When we closed our doors, you smuggled drugs to open markets.
when we embrace free trade, you blame us for taking away your jobs.
when we’re falling apart, you marched in your troops and wanted your fair share.
when we’re putting the broken pieces together, “Free Tibet” you screamed! “it was invasion.”
So we tried communism, you hated us for being communist.
So we embraced capitalism, you hate us for being capitalist,
Then we have a billion people, you said we’re destroying the planet.
Then we limit our numbers, you said it was human rights abuses.
When we were poor, you think we’re dogs,
When we loan you cash, you blamed us for your debts.
When we build our industries, you called us polluters.
When we sell you goods, you blamed us for global warming,
When we buy oil, you called that exploitation and genocide.
When we were lost in chaos and rampage, you wanted rule s of laws for us.
When we uphold law and order against violence, you called that violation of human rights.
When we were silent, you said you want us to have free speech.
When we were silent no more, you say we were brainwashed.
Why do you hate us so much? We asked. “No”. You answered, “we don’t hate you”.
We don’t hate you either Bud, do you understand us?? “of course we do”, you said, “We have CNN, BBC, and CBC”.
But why, we still feel, your western people are not happy with us.
What do you really want from us??
My friend, What do you really want from us??
POSTED COMMENTS: 29 Responses
There is not one “West”. The West is full of differnt views, agendas and intentions, more often than not contradicting themselves. This is what comes with pluralism.
We want you to not disguise chinese agents as rioting monks as a pretext for security crackdowns.
i personally do not make any demands nor have any expectations of china or its people. however, it seems to me this is a world of extremes and china is living those extremes to one degree or the other. one does not need to live life to an extreme in order to be happy or successful. one can truly find contentment balanced within a happy medium. somewhere in the middle, most people, businesses, and countries find a mutually beneficial success.
i think china is a wondrous land, full of beauty. years ago, i was lucky to find friendship in a chinese girl. we have been pen pals on and off the internet for over five years and she is a very special person to me. if i could choose a future with someone, it would be with her. unfortunately, she lives in china and i live in the usa and aside from the physical distance between us, i do not feel i would have the same opportunities and freedom in china if i were to live there. unfortunately, she does not want to leave china, as she is already a long way from her family and does not want to be any further from them. i cannot blame her for feeling that way; family is very important and i have similar concerns.
is it possible china could change enough for a person such as myself to feel comfortable with living there? would i ever feel comfortable expressing my thoughts and living a life the way i choose under such a tightly controlled superpower? anything is possible, but such a change from china is not probable and it disheartens me. however, one can only hope that some day, all nations can see a little more eye to eye on level ground.
This is kinda of the equivalent of a child destroying/throwing out everything in a house, and then saying “What? You told me to clean the house!”
There’s doing something, and then there is doing something RIGHT.
you know what I want from China?
kung fu grip.
It’s all I ask for, if you can meet this one demand then you’re beautiful baby.
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“There is not one “West”. The West is full of differnt views, agendas and intentions, more often than not contradicting themselves. This is what comes with pluralism.
By Bjoern | April 13th, 2008 at 2:57 am”
I’m pretty sure that “China” embodies at least as many view and intentions withing her borders… Even though my agenda is different, as a US citizen, I have killed and displaced thousands of Iraqi people… Even though my intention is different, as a US citizen, I have caused more environmental damage than anyone else in the world. The fact that China has surpassed us in amount now, pales in comparison of per capita usage and waste that we do. And still we sleep…
Images can be powerfull. Remember this? http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/images/tianamen_square_1989.jpg Americans in particular identify strongly with this image.
the question posed…
China, this guy wants you see yourself through the worlds’ eyes.
That is a start.
Good luck, God bless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989
http://www.hrichina.org/public/index
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_People’s_Republic_of_China
http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/asia-and-pacific/east-asia/china
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tibet
Dear Tiananmen Tank Man,
We want you to see yourselves(Americans) thru these images : (1) the dead bodies of anti-war Kent State University students shot by National Guard (2) the dead bodies of 500 innocent Vietnamese villagers in the My Lai massacre( & rape) committed by US troops ‘to defend freedom’.
Images are very powerful. Remember these? Then we have hundreds more images for you to touch your conscience, if it indeed ever gets touched.They are all available in Wikipaedia. Some more:the genocide of Red Indians, the genocide of 200,000 catholic Timorese people by Indonesian Army ( armed & egged on by USA), the killing of refugees in South and North Korea by US forces during the Korean War, the hacked bodies of Nicaraguans killed by US funded Contras…100’s more of images.
This is a start for you americans to reflect on yourselves and to be less judgemental.
The question we pose : Are your hands not more bloodstained than ours?
Tienanmen incident : Nicholas Kristoff of New York Times reported that actually only around 300 were killed- he was one of the last ones to leave the square, and Wikipaedia said that NSC documents also indicated this figure to be roughly correct.
Tienanmen is ONLY AN ISOLATED INCIDENT.
It is not repeated every every now and then or everywhere.
A NATION SHOULD NOT BE JUDGED FOREVER BY JUST ONE INCIDENT.
How would you feel if we constantly demonize you as perennial and unredeemable bloodthirsty Genocidists just because you killed millions of Red Indians some time back? And even recently in 1973 when you murdered Indians who commemorated the Wounded Knee Masssacre committed in early 1900’s.
You would shout at us:” But we are different now! ” Are you, indeed?
Tienanmen is just one incident, but your killings (or sponsored by you) are pervasive, everywhere around the globe and happening all the time, EVEN NOW.How many have you killed in Iraq now? 100,000? And you are calling for Iranian blood now.
OH, YOU REPLY ANGRILY: ‘BUT ALL THIS KILLING BY US IS NECESSARY. IT IS DONE WITH THE HIGHEST ALTRUISM’
Sure. Tienanmen looks bad & cruel.
( but it is one percent of your killing in Iraq or elsewhere.)
Have you ever tried to understand why Deng ( or any gov’t in his position) was forced to clamp down hard on them?
Deng did not enjoy doing it, nor was he a bloodthirsty man practising massacres every so often.
Given the political situation at that time,there didn’t seem to be any choice left.THE COUNTRY WAS IN MORTAL DANGER OF BREAKING UP, LEADING TO THE MOST DREADED THING IN CHINESE HISTORY: CHAOS AND BRUTAL CIVIL WARS.
To have a fuller & fairer picture of the incident, one must know well these 4 factors: (1)The divisive & fraticidal mentality of the Chinese people ( nightmare of all Chinese rulers) (2) The devastating CULTURAL REVOLUTION which ended just 10 years before the Tiananmen incident (3) The genuine fear that China was going to dissolve into chaos and civil wars again (4)The uncompromising attitude of the students who had no firm agenda or alternative government, but called for overthrow of Deng’s gov’t.
IF DENG HAD RESPONDED AS QUICKLY AS THE ‘MORAL’ USA did ( they shot Kent State Uni protesters immediately), there would have been no Tienanmen incident.
Deng gave them 44 days before he moved. Before that, he sent emissaries to students ,arranged meeting between student leaders and Li Peng, other ministers came to persuade students to go back to school, declared martial law( students should read that to mean time to go home).Students had been given ample time to reflect.
None could articulate definitively what they want: just calumnying the gov’t and shouting for democracy.Watch videos made on these.
Who was more patient with the students : USA or China ?
There were no real solid grievances. Just general cries for more democracy and dialogue and the crowds were swelling with retrenched workers due to market reforms.
Let’s look at the socio-political situation at that point in time.
The horrible CULTURAL REVOLUTION (1966 to 1979)had just ended in 1979 and the student mobs (Red Guards whipped up by Mao for his own power base)destroyed everything during the tragic 12 years of the cultural revolution. They destroyed the intellectuals and educational institutions, stopped factory production, brought technology & science to a standstill until China was lagging 30 years behind the West. They turned society into a mass hysteria of witchhunt and civil wars, torturing all the intelligentsia & individuals.They fought each other with weapons.By 1978, Mao realized his mistake,China was collapsing into chaos,and he had to call in the PLA which saved the country from further chaos. Note: people regarded the PLA then as the protector of law & order in China.
Deng, himself a victim of Mao’s Cultural Revolution and his son was paralysed by it, obviously now saw the Tiananmen protest descending into the same catastrophic order of the Cultural Revolution.
Since 1979, he and his fellow economic reform-minded colleagues,had been frantically trying to modernise & improve China from the devastating effects of the Cultural Revolution. He had barely had 10 years to implement his well-intentioned economic reforms when the impatient students broke out in protest over, sadly, just an article in a newspaper in which Deng accused some students of playing reactionary politics.
Wouldn’t you be worried then if you were Deng? Add to this the well-known selfishness and anarchic streak of every Chinese, who do not have a coherent sense of ‘a nation’.Theirs is a Me first, my family and( the highest) my clan.
Initial forays by police and PlA were peaceful, more to intimidate them to leave.(See the videos) But the students were unfazed and downright combative.The students were playing brinkmanship – see who blinks first.
When martial law was announced, ( signal to go home) some stubborn students just stayed on.Given that intransigence, the soldiers had to shoot.Don’t tell me the soldiers should only use fists to disperse. Boy, given the Kung Fu skills and the fighting nature of the Chinese people, it would be mayhem and soldiers would be outnumbered.You are not dealing with gentle people here, man, but with people who are ready to fight each other.
The students were too impatient and unrealistic. Just ten years after the devestating Cultural Revolution was hardly enough time to pander to everyone’s demands. The priority was economic betterment of the people. Millions of people died of starvation during Mao’s time The students want instant democracy then. And the economic situation wasn’t too good then because many were laid off following the switchover to the free market system.Irony: Communism was better then for the people!! It guaranteed jobs (but also poverty.)
Imagine the tenseness of the situation then:the jobless swelling the ranks of student protesters.
Other gievances: Corruption? It’s in any country.Much worse in Indonesia and Nigeria, etc. Don’t blame Deng, blame the western free market system. Authoritarian? Everywhere. Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea (then),most 3rd World countries. US ally Singapore is authoritarian.
The students should have given Deng and China more time, another 15 to 20 years. Then China would be sufficiently EDUCATED and affluent to appreciate democracy. South Korea and Taiwan took >50 years of military rule to mature into democracies. How can China achieve it in just 10 years?
This is not an apology for the massacre per se, but to make you think whether you would have behaved differently if you were in Deng’s shoes.Any massacre is bad, whether done by chinese or whites.
What we resent is your flashing of the images of ONE incident to tell us that ALL CHINESE ARE KILLERS and that WE ARE TOTALLY IRREEDEEMABLE FOREVER just because of this one incident.
I have quite a few videos here of American soldiers raping Iraqi girls. How would you feel if everyday and for the next 50 years I keep on flashing these images to remind you that ALL AMERICANS ARE BORN RAPISTS and that YOU WILL REMAIN BEASTS FOR UNTOLD GENERATIONS TO COME, COS IT’S IN YOUR GENES?
The problem is that student protesters themselves keep on harping on this , to the detriment of the whole nation and all its people. Their unforgiving (and refusal to see that they were wrong also) attitude is boomeranging on them ( & all the Chinese) now.The ‘brutal’ image of the PLA that they tout is now automatically transferred by Westerners to the Chinese police in Tibet, without even investigating. When you air your dirty linen in public ( and whites are too cunning to do this), your whole family gets tarred by the same brush, even though the majority are not like that.To such students, may I ask a question: Since you hate Deng for suppressing your protests, YOU SHOULD HATE YOUR GOVERNMENT FOR SUPPRESSING TIBETAN PROTESTS.Are you saying that you can protest but they can’t? IF YOU DEMAND YOUR RIGHT TO GOVERN YOUR COUNTRY AS YOU LIKE, SO CAN THE TIBETANS HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE INDEPENDENT AND GOVERN THEMSELVES.
THINK OVER THIS THE NEXT TIME YOU PROMOTE THE ‘BRUTALITY’ OF YOUR GOV’T AND ARMY TO WESTERNERS.
there is a man here named BOb that said “We want you to not disguise chinese agents as rioting monks as a pretext for security crackdowns.”
Do you really believe the American government doesn’t do the same thing?
You are only fooling yourself thinking this! Every Government in the world uses this dirty little trick.
Lets put this into perspective. China is and always has been a part of China. Do you think for one minute that if California want to take they’re leave from the United States they would be allowed too?
We are to valuable and so is Tibet.
Take the time to study just what resources Tibet has and you will find out why.
We want you to do what ‘we’ say because we are right and just and anyone that does things differently are inherently evil. If you see things differently than us, then you are wrong. The people in power make the rules, and if you don’t like it, then enjoy being isolated and ostracized. It doesn’t matter if our accusations are true or not. It’s this elitist attitude the west has that will be the cause of World War III. Just because a certain system works in the west doesn’t mean it will everywhere.
To Singhdee: It is true that the United States has more blood on its hands than most other countries are even capable of. The US has started more wars, interfered in the natural progress of more countries and used its influence to keep more dictators in power than any other country I know of. That said, it does not excuse the government of China from its appalling lack of regard for the wishes of its own people. I don’t pretend to understand what it is like to be a Chinese person living in China, but I do know that if I had to censor what I say on the internet for fear of reprisal from overzealous government officials, I would feel like revolting against that government as well. The fact that your people live every day with no freedom of speech and that your government does its level best to paint what they are doing as protecting the public is unacceptable. Noone here is promoting what the US is doing in Iraq (or has done to numerous other countries in the past) as a model for proper behavior as a world power, but the fact that your neighbors have committed evils does not excuse your own. In truth, no one knows how to solve most of the problems we are discussing, because these are problems that have been with us since the dawn of human civilization. However, we do have a good idea of what causes harm to genuine public discourse. Public discourse is an important tool of any honest government and leads to better solutions for the big problems that plague human society and censoring critics of those in power is probably the worst thing that can happen in an environment of public discord. It inflames an already sensitive public, and causes moderating opinions to be lost in the noise of extremist rhetoric. Furthermore, if a person already knows he will be arrested, maybe killed for speaking out, then what has he to lose? Seems like a perfect environment for riots if you ask me. People MUST feel like they have their freedom, or they will simply refuse to cooperate with the government out of spite.
What do you want from us?
WE WANT POLITICAL REFORMS WITH ECONOMIC REFORMS.
When we were called “sick man of Asia”, we were called peril.
DID THEY? I DON’T SHARE YOUR EXPEREINCE. I AM A TIBETAN. IN FACT YOU CALLED US BARBARIANS AND CONQUERED US IN THE NAME OF LIBERATION.
When we billed to be the next superpower, we’re called the threat
I UNDERSTAND. CHINESE NATIONALISM SEEMS TO BE TURNING INTO SOME FORM OF SCARY RACE-NATIONALISM. YOU SAID IT. YOU COINED THE TERM RACE-TRAITOR AFTER ALL.
When we closed our doors, you smuggled drugs to open markets.
THATS BAD. DON’T REPEAT THAT IN TIBET BY BRINGING YOUR EXCESSIVE MATERIALITIC VALUES, GAMBLING, ALCOHOLISM AND PROSTITUTION ETC. ITS EQQUALLY TOXIC!
when we embrace free trade, you blame us for taking away your jobs.
…DID THEY? NEXT TIME, YOU SUFFER UNREASONABLE INSULTS, PLEASE THINK OF TIBET.
when we’re falling apart, you marched in your troops and wanted your fair share.
BAD. BAD. BUT THATS WHAT YOU DO IN TIBET. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND US NOW?
when we’re putting the broken pieces together, “Free Tibet” you screamed! “it was invasion.”
YES, FREE TIBET. IT WAS AN INVASION. ITS LOUD AND CLEAR. NO ONE IS STUPID!GRANTED YOU HAVE THE GUN POWER TO DEFEND YOUR POSITION.
So we tried communism, you hated us for being communist.
EVEN THE CHINESE HATED YOU FOR THAT SHIT, STUPID. NO ONE ASKED TO KLLL MIILIONS FOR AN IDEOLOGY? DID MAX TAUHT YOU THAT? MAY BE YOU NEED A “RE-EDUCATION PROGRAM” AND A “STRUGGLE SESSION” AND A CULTURAL REVOLUTION TO SEE HOW THAT FEELS! HOW IT FEELS TO KILL YOUR OWN PARENTS AND FRIENDS.. BLINDED BY AN IDEOLOGY…
So we embraced capitalism, you hate us for being capitalist,
I THINK YOU GOT IT WRONG HERE. MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY THE MAINSTREAM, CORPORATIONS AND SO FORTH THOROUGHLY EMBRACES CHINA AND LIKES YOU.. FOR IT CHEAP LABOR, FOR CHINA’S ABILITY TO ENSURE SAFE BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT ( NO PROTESTS OR UNINIONS LIKE IN DEMOCRATIC COUNTRIES LIKE INDIA), YES FOR CHINA’S WILLINGNESS TO TREAT IS VAST LOWER CLASS ORDINARY CHINESE LIKE SECOND-CLASS, AS SLAVES..
Then we have a billion people, you said we’re destroying the planet.
HMMM… UNINTENTIONALLY THOUGH
Then we limit our numbers, you said it was human rights abuses.
IT SEEMS THAT WAY, IF MORE FEMALES ARE ABORTED OR FOR THAT MATTER, YOU APPLY THE SAME LAWS TO MINORITY AREAS LIKE TIBETANS, WHERE THERE IS ALREADY DANGER OF ETHNIC GROUPS DISPPEARING THROUGH DIFFERENT FORMS OF DEMOGRAPHIC AGRESSION.
When we were poor, you think we’re dogs,
AGAIN THINK OF TIBETANS. YOU STILL WE ARE DOGS! IN FACT ONE OF THE MAIN JUSTIFICATION FOR THE REPRESSION OF TIBETANS IS THAT WE ARE DOG POOR AND YOU ARE DOING US A BIG FAVOR
When we loan you cash, you blamed us for your debts.
ITS NOT YOUR FAULT. PERIOD!
When we build our industries, you called us polluters.
YOU SHOULD HAVE REALIZED IT BEFORE “THEY” TELL YOU THIS STUPID. MAJORITY OF ORDINARY CHINESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LEAVE THERE. ONLY THE LITTLE EMPERORS, SONS AND DAUGHTORS OF CCP LEADERS, CAN AFFORD TO GO TO OTHER PLACES AND USE CHINA AS A STAGING GROUND FOR RACKLESS PROFIT..
I HIHGLY DOUBT YOU REPRESENT THE REAL VOICE OF THE ORDINARY PEOPLE OF CHINA MY FRIEND
When we sell you goods, you blamed us for global warming,
YOUR HONEST ANSWER SHOULD BE WE ARE NOT ALONE!
When we buy oil, you called that exploitation and genocide.
DAFUR! DAFUR! WHAT DID YOU DO THERE?
When we were lost in chaos and rampage, you wanted rule s of laws for us.
When we uphold law and order against violence, you called that violation of human rights.
UPHOLD LAW AGAINST VIOLENCE? WHEN YOU IMPRISON, TORTURE AND KILL PEOPLE SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS, OR CALL FOR TIBETAN FREEDOM….
WHEN YOU INSULT THE DIGNITY AND SPRITUAL SENTIMENTS OF A WHOLE NATION, AS A RIGOROUS APPLICATION OF “FINAL SOLUTION TO THE TIBETAN ISSSUE…SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU CAN,
WHEN YOU ORCHESTRATE VIOLENCE, SO THAT YOU CAN THEN JUSTIFY STATE TERRORISM,-CUTTING AWAY ELECTRICITY, FOOD, WATER AND SLOWY TORTURING THEM TO DEATH….THATS MY FRIEND IS VIOLENCE
WHEN PUT THOUSANDS OF FALUN GONG PRACTIONERS, KILL THEM AND TORTURE THEM AND SELL THEIR ORGANS… THATS VIOLENCE
YOU STILL THINK YOU UPHOLD LAW AGAINST VIOLENCE.
VIOLENCE IS RELATIVE…
TIBETAN VOILENT PROTESTS ARE MORE SYMBOBLIC… TARGETTING GOVERNMNET INSTITUIONS LIKE BANKS AND SO FORTH.
KILLING OF FIVE HAN CHINESE IS UNFORTUNATE… BUT MUCH MORE IS RETRIBUTIVE KILLING OF 150 OR SO TIBETANS AND CONTINUING ARREST, DETENTION, SEARCH AND TORTURE OF TIBETANS…
When we were silent, you said you want us to have free speech.
IF YOU WERE SILENT, I DON’T THINK PEOPLE WOULD CARE. IF YOU SILENCED BY YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT, MAY BE THEY ARE DOING YOU OR RATHER ORDINARY CHINESE PEOPLE A FAVOR…
When we were silent no more, you say we were brainwashed.
YOU UNWILINGNESS TO LISTEN,
YOUR ARROGANCE, YOUR RAMPANT RACE NATIONALISM, READY TO POINT FINGERS AT ANY ONE AND YET JUSTIFY ATROCITIES COMMITTED AGAIST CHINESE AND TIBETANS AS EVEN “‘BENIGN”…
THATS NOT BRAINWASHED? DOES THE PERSON WHO IS BRAINWASHED KNOWS HE IS BRAINWASHED?
MAY BE I AM BRAINWASHED! WHO KNOWS!
Why do you hate us so much?
YES, WHY DO YOU HATE US SO MUCH? SPEAKING FOR FREEDOM AT THE WRONG TIME? WHEN IS RIGHT TIME?
We asked. “No”. You answered, “we don’t hate you”.
We don’t hate you either Bud, do you understand us?? “of course we do”, you said, “We have CNN, BBC, and CBC”.
AT LEAST YOU HAVE CCTV!!
But why, we still feel, your western people are not happy with us.
BECAUSE OF HUMAN RIHGHTS, BECAUSE OF TIBET, BECAUSE YOU ASK THOSE ORDINARY CHINESE WHO YEARN FOR RELIGIOUS AND SOCIAL FREEDOM…
BECAUSE WE THINK ECONOMIC GROWTH IS COMPATIBLE WITH A CIVIL SOCIETY…
What do you really want from us??
MORE FREEDOM IN CHINA, GENUINE AUTONOMY FOR TIBET.
AND DON’T DEFLECT THE REAL ISSUE.. BY ATTEMPTING TO MAKE THE RECENT TIBEETAN MOVEMENT AS MOTIVATED BY THE ‘WEST” FON AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE.. WHY DON’T YOU TALK WITH THE TIBETANS… AND FELLOW CHINESE..MAY BE SUBCONSCIOUSLY YOU ARE THINKING THAT TIBETANS AND ORDINARY CHINESE ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH, NOT STRONG ENOUGH.. THEY MAY BARK BUT WE CAN SILENCE THEM..
LET US PLAY THE VICTIM TO THE WEST AND SILENCE THEM???
WHY ARE SO CONCEREND ABOUT WHAT OTHERS THINK WHEN THE REAL ISSUE IS CLEANING YOUR OWN HOME?
My friend, What do you really want from us??
MORE FREEDOM IN CHINA AND TIBET, REAL RULE OF LAW, NOT BY LAW…
ANY FINALLY DON’T ASK THESE QUESTIONS TO YOUR IMAGINARY “WEST”… THAT WAS PUT IN YOUR BRAIN BY THE COMMUNISTS…
ASK THESE QUESTIONS TO THE TIBETANS AND ORDINARY CHINESE…
Don’t talk in caps its rude and annoying, oh and in the communism one did you mean ‘Marx teach you that’?
What a big pissing contest over a little bit of poetry, meant to be witty and turned out a bit whiny.
I am Tibetan & what I want from the Chinese Govt is human rights, self-determination & democracy for my country of Tibet. I believe that’s what the majority of Tibetans want & the way to find that out is to allow Tibetans to vote on political issues. Right now Chinese Communist Party controls all politics & economy in Tibet & Tibetans have no real say. Chinese people control Tibet, not Tibetans, in violation of what autonomy is supposed to mean. Human rights in an international standard & the CCP violates those basic standards. Don’t Chinese people deserve the same human rights as others? I ask this person why he or she defends the Communist Party when the Party has killed more Chinese people since 1949 than any other individual or group?
In your eyes whiny, but not in mine. He made a very good point in his writings.
I am an American and spent much time in China.
We should allow China to have its growing pains. They will sort these things out in time “ON THEY”RE OWN”. The Balkan States are a good example.
Let then grow!
i heartily congratulate TENZIN DHONYOE for giving solid answer to the (MY FRIENDS; WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US?) written by SENSELESS and BRAINWASHED person.even though i am i truly feel sorry from the core of my heart for the chinese people too because they are completely brainwashed and not known to the outside world and for not having any clue about their real history.tibet is supposed to be their nearest neighbour,still they dont have any knowledge.however my friends,try to get more informations and try to realise the TRUTH.go through what some chinese scholars had written(HER PAIN IS MY SHAME)thanks dhonyoe FREE TIBET
First, the author of (her pain is my shame) is by no means a Chinese scholar. She is entitled to express her view, but she is not a scholar by any stretch of imagination. More reputable source is Melvyn_Goldstein:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvyn_Goldstein
Dr. Goldstein has conducted research in different parts of Tibet (mainly in the Tibet Autonomous Region of China) on a range of topics including nomadic pastoralism, the impact of reforms on rural Tibet, family planning and fertility, modern Tibetan history, and socio-economic change. His has also conducted research in India (with Tibetan refugees in Bylakuppe), in northwest Nepal (with a Tibetan border community in Limi), in western Mongolia (with a nomadic pastoral community in Khovd Province) and in inland China (with Han Chinese on modernization and the elderly). His current projects include: an oral history of Tibet , a multi-volume history of modern Tibet, the history of the Nyemo incident in 1969, and a longitudinal study of the impact of China’s reform policies on rural Tibet (nomads and farmers). A new 3-year NSF study investigating modernization and changing patterns of intergenerational relations in rural Tibet began fieldwork in 2005.
Second, while we shouldn’t be brainwashed by the Chinese government on Tibet issues, we shouldn’t allow us to be brainwashed by the government propaganda of Tibet-in-exile either because they represent the theological regime of old Tibet which slaved their own people. And the government of Tibet-in-exile is by no means a democratic regime, you can goolge for “Dorje Shugden” and find out how HH Dalai Lama has banned a branch of the Tibetan Buddhism, disregarding human rights of those Tibetans-in-exile the rights to practice their own belief.
One useful thing, in my opinion, that Chinese can do is to begin to look to the future instead of always remembering the past. What Tibet was is irrelevant. We can debate when it was a part of China, what “China” you are talking about, how much power the Dalai Lama has, who that power comes from, etc. All of that is frankly irrelevant. What is more pertinent is where do you go from here. China has to begin to ask itself and realize that these protests highlight a significant weakness in the polity of the nation. Tibetans, Uighurs, Mongols, etc are not Chinese nor are they treated as Chinese. Of course, by Chinese I mean Han and that is all that really matters. The special treatment the Chinese gov’t gives minorities pales in comparison to what they do not have: self-determination and essential freedom and say so over their own destiny. If their destiny does not include ‘you’ China, is that so bad? Apparently, yes because the whole concept of “Da Yi Tong” would be compromised and the current dynasty would probably crumble. Alas, chaos and strife would return and China’s history would continue its same cyclical course.
I find this all to very sad. Is there a lapse in reality when some Chinese people, say the things they say? Sometimes I’m confused. It’s like when Chinese people say Taiwan is a part of China when Beijing obviously has no power or control over Taiwan’s internal affairs. Chaos only results from a lack of planning and recognizing the truth. China has problems and they cannot be simply swept under a rug until the Olympics is over or wait 25 years until people mature enough. The 25 years will never come and the problems will continue to fester until they burst.
Why not try finding a way to solve them? You could start by actually asking the Tibetans in Tibet what they want. But China fears the answer because the answer is probably the same like other regions in China, not all necessarily minority areas. Simply put, less control from the Party and the mandarins in Beijing. Loosen the reigns and drop the imperial (do not confuse w/ Western imperialism here) fascinations of China’s emperors of lore.
I am a Chinese too and also a westerner. I want China be honest nationaly and internationaly. By then you will know what you want and what we want from you. Then you will clearly know that ALL TIBETANS are not happy under the present situation as well as the general system u apply to them.
“Then you will clearly know that ALL TIBETANS are not happy under the present situation as well as the general system u apply to them.”
How do you know? Do you read Chinese? If yes, well, maybe you should read this website, a Tibetan Culture portal/bogsite, where a diverse of opinions are expressed than what you heard from the Tibetan-in-exile who didn’t really live there, and simply impose their own wishes on all Tibetans.
In any case, I am sure everyone has things to complain about. If you were in China and heard what Rev. Wright of the (now former) pastor of Barack Obama, you’d think that the blacks in this country (US) are really “oppressed” and want to wage a revolution against the “evil whites” so as to be “free” and “independent”.
Sorry, the Tibetan culture website (in Chinese) I mentioned in the above post is
http://tibetcul.com/
It is created by a “Chinese-educated” Tibetan college professor, who has his own blog page at http://wangchuktseten.vip.bokee.com/
“Simply put, less control from the Party and the mandarins in Beijing. Loosen the reigns and drop the imperial (do not confuse w/ Western imperialism here) fascinations of China’s emperors of lore.”
Have you been to China lately? You still think Chinese central government and Beijing Mandarins have so much power and sway over Chinese people today? If you ask what the ordinary Chinese what they want from the central government, it will not be “less control from the Party”, but probably more likely that the central government should exert control on the corrupt local government officials.
It just shows how out of touch you are with the reality in China today!
西方人,你们到底要什么?
当我们是“东亚病夫”的时候，我们被你们称为“黄祸”。
实际上，日本人最先被称为“黄祸”。那是在1895年甲午战争中，中国被日本击败后德国皇帝威廉二世杜撰出来的词汇。广而言之，我承认其中有种族因素作梗而使西方忧虑中国。但正本清源，我们还是把这一词汇的由来解释一下。虽然其中有种族的因素，但不能把西方对华的态度简单理解为种族主义。西方“恐华”的非理性层面并不意味着这种恐惧就没有理性的基础可言。
在我的印象里，黄祸出自最早是欧洲纪录蒙古入侵的记载，而不是德皇对日本人的杜撰。这句话陈述了一个事实，你解释再多有什么意思？确有此事。
当我们被标为下一个“超级大国”，我们被你们称为“威胁”。
是的，欢迎中国加入“超级大国俱乐部”。“超级大国”从来就不是一个纯粹的恭维之辞。中国，众所周知，是主导批评美国霸权的最大声音。
可见西方的这个标注伪善用意。用你自己的话回答你：中国，众所周知，是主导批评美国霸权的最大声音。
当我们闭关锁国时，你们通过走私鸦片来打开我们的市场。
确实。西方人这样做太糟糕了。有一点需要指出的是：在你提到的时期里，大部分被中国人吸食的鸦片是在中国种植，自然而然又被中国人运输和吸食。我说这个并不代表要开脱西方人的鸦片贸易的罪责，但确实从另一面质疑了在中国许多文献里兜售的有关这一时期的“邪恶的外国人\无辜的中国人”的简单武断的表述。而且，就在此同一时期，“你们眼中的”帝国主义者“ 为中国带来了第一批大学、现代意义的医院、兴办女子教育、铁路、路灯等等。当然，你可以义正辞严的回击说：中国人完全有能力自己选择恰当的时机和方式来吸收、运用这些现代化成果，而不是靠着侵犯中国的主权、剥夺中国的自然资源，由傲慢的洋大人强加到中国人身上。这是个殖民者和被殖民者一直纠缠不清的问题。有趣的是，中国人现在自己就站在殖民者的立场上来为你们在西藏事务辩解：说什么中国内地的投资把西藏从过去封建的落后境地拯救出来。看看，这是一种怎样的蜕变啊。
一个被强迫换上毒瘾的人自己种植毒品使用，这能叫自然而然？西藏历史上是中国的一部分，而香港和澳门离欧洲十万八千里，欧洲人不远千里来掠夺和贩毒那才叫殖民，。有趣的是，美国人一提新墨西哥州和夏威夷就有点不愉悦，其实不只这些，成千上万被屠杀的印第安人会让你们世世代代的美国人精神不得安宁。
当我们拥抱自由贸易时，你们又责备中国攫取了你们的工作机会。
这是个复杂的问题。但可以说西方在此问题上确实有其虚伪之处。对这些西方的牢骚我感到非常抱歉。中国人，祝贺你们，你们已经提高了那么多人的生活水准。你们中国人勤劳努力，当之无愧应该过上更舒适的生活。
我倒是要祝贺你们美国人，你们那么多人并不勤劳努力，却也享受着舒适的生活。
当我们分崩离析时，你们开进来你们的军队要所谓“利益均沾”。
西方人过去在中国的确展开过一些军事行动，但从宏观大局来看，这也并非一件坏事。让我们参考一些被真正被殖民的国家的经历，如比属刚果，再比较一下中国的遭遇，再次证明西方用武力强行打开旧中国的国门有益于中国，当然，这不可避免地带来了侮辱和剥削。可以参看Monty Python所著的Life of Brian中呈现的“罗马人到底对我们做了什么？”的情节。
纠正你，不光是武力，还有毒品，你也太高看你们了，没有毒品打前锋你真的就以为大清的旗兵绿营是软弱无力的草包？美化侵略和殖民对美国和你们美国人的形象没有任何好处，只能被历史唾弃。完全承认殖民错误才是获得殖民地人民谅解的唯一途径。
当我们重组统一时，你们西方人又高喊：自由西藏，中国侵略西藏！
中国和西藏的关系远远比《中国日报》和“自由西藏运动”所宣称的那样要来得复杂， 为了公平讨论起见，建议你倾听一下美国国家“美中关系委员会”最近会议的呼声.
为公平起见，请您亲自到西藏生活几年。
当我们尝试共产主义制度时，你们把我们当作共产主义分子加以憎恨。
或多或少，确实如此。中国过去也把美国当作资本主义自由民主的代表加以憎恨。那完全是一个被仇恨和恐惧充满的时代。
说到憎恨这里面有一个主次先后问题，是谁先憎恨了谁呢？
当我们拥抱资本主义时，你们又把我们当作万恶的资本家加以憎恨。
不完全是。可美国人确实有些对中国心存忌惮，因为中国用西方几百年累积开出的药方获取了财富和实力，而且还是通过所谓“中国特色”实现的。
确实不值得同情。
当我们拥有人口过十亿，你们说我们会毁了地球。
美利坚合众国，很显然，在此问题上毫无资格对别国破坏自然环境作道德批评。但基于长期的经验，美国绝对有资格从环境科学角度提出评价，建议更好的方式方法，汇同更多民间或官方的关注自身土地、空气和水源的中国人，来促进更加绿色的环保技术在中国的使用。中国人对此的抱怨是其情绪性宣泄中最危险的一种：即对批评过度情绪化的反应（针对字里行间可感知到的侮辱），而不是针对批评意见中所陈述的事实部分。我个人建议：中国人应该忽视其中的不敬，正视事实，为中国人自己珍视和清洁自己的环境。
据我了解中国政府对环境问题重视程度不比美国政府差。我个人建议：美国人应该忽视对别国的道德批评，从自己做起。精神病人的医嘱没人敢接受。
当我们要实行计划生育限制人口过度膨胀，你们又指责我们破坏、违反人权。
我们此举不是目的，只是手段。根据我的经验，大部分中国人至少是理论上支持一胎的计划生育政策，虽然他们也常常受此困扰。这种艰难的道德上的平衡是由中国人自己作出抉择的。但我还是深信，通过公开的和经常性的讨论计划生育问题的各个层面，中国人有能力创造出一种更有效更人道的人口政策。
是的。
当我们贫穷时，你们认为我们是狗。
这不是事实。这种过度自怜的情结令人不安。美国对中国即往贫穷一直报有深切的同情，这不是一天两天的事了，这也是中美两国关系史中的亮点之一。美国曾在历史上为中国捐助款项、物资、技术甚至美国公民的生命来缓解中国人民的苦难。尽管中国的巨大物质进步是由于中国人民自身付出的勤劳和牺牲获得的，但不可否认中国的许多成就、进步都和美国有关。可能美国方面显示的对中国的同情中有屈尊和自夸的成分，但我们要明白这不是一个完美的世界，动机总是很复杂的。
动机再复杂，你能允许美国的纽约被中国租借出去吗？你能允许租界里的所有机构都标上：”美国人和狗不得入内”吗？
当我们给你们贷款，你们又为自己的国债而斥责我们。
哎呀,为此深表歉意，谢谢你们的贷款!
不能因为你谢谢就贷款，谴责就不贷款，不是吗？
当我们建立了自己的工业体系，你们指责我们是污染大户。
中国的工业，正如你们政府自己承认的一样，确实是主要的污染源。当然，美国也是污染大户。对此问题，我们应当通力协作解决之。再一次表达对你这种发问口气的不安：一个国家应当能够实事求是指出另一个国家正产生许多污染，而不被冠之以“指责另一个国家为污染大户”。一个告知病人患癌症的医生并不是在指责病人罹患癌症，也不是在显示他的权威性，更不是宣称医生自己没有或永远不会得癌症。医生只是在采取适当的步骤来达到治病救人的目的。
希望我们加强合作，共同拒绝精神病人开出的医嘱。
当我们卖给你们商品时，你们指责我们对全球变暖难辞其咎。
我以为前面我已就此话题作过论述，我不会喋喋不休评论发问者的控诉。
我对此也有些反感，我不会对喋喋不休的病人太在意。
当我们走出国门购买石油，你们谩骂我们剥削和支持种族屠杀。
无人曾说过购买石油是支持种族屠杀。所指责的是武装和教唆一个屠杀自己人民的产油国政府，这样的行为就使中国在种族屠杀问题上有了同谋的嫌疑。这一点其实是显而易见的，就像美国政府本身也曾资助过一些臭名昭著的政权一样。
是的，我们只是去开发石油，而且那里的石油七成销往西方，你们说我们教唆政府屠杀人民，请不要说美国干过盗贼，我们中国也是盗贼，拿出证据来，反对这种想当然的信口开河。
当你们为石油而开战时，你们为师出有名美其名曰“解放”。
这里我不想为入侵伊拉克战争辩解，我要说明的是美国从未说过“解放伊拉克”的话。我们美国人仅称之为“伊拉克战争”。并且许多美国人反对它，自由地体现在书籍、电影还有街头抗议。他们自由地批评批评政府的立场、揭露政府的宣传，而且拒投支持战争的政客的票。
抱歉我站在这儿做宣传，捍卫美国立场有两件有利的佐证，不管这种立场本身有多错误：1）在美国这样一个多元化社会里，没有诸如“美国立场”这样的概念，因为政府不能刻意垄断民意。所以也没有如你在China’s Grievances.（中国的冤屈）一文中展示的单一的“你们”的立场（我也不相信单一的“我们”的立场）；2）没有哪一个外国的对美国的批评象美国人自己对政府的批评那样尖锐、有意义和有效。这就使我们练就了一付“厚脸皮”，增强了我们的自信，而且一定程度具有了对外来侮辱的免疫性。
再多元，也有一个代表你们的政府和总统吧？你们的政府和总统把入侵说成解放，这是你们美国选民不承认就能说得过去的吗？
当我们迷失在动乱中，你们指责我们缺少法制。
不。邓小平使中国走上了法制的正轨，这样中国才能按照自己的最大利益，避开动乱，吸引了众多的外国投资、技术和管理经验。
这种指责确有其事，你现在说不我们还是欢迎。
当我们捍卫法律和秩序，反对暴力时，你们却指责我们违反人权。
“法律和秩序”和法制不是一回事。
“法律和秩序”和法制不是一回事？运用法律维护秩序不是法制的表现？你的咬文嚼字也太没有水准了。
过去当我们选择沉默时，你们说要我们去争取言论自由。
当我们不再沉默时，你们又指责我们被洗脑、恐外仇外。
美国人确实很轻易就骂中国人被洗脑、恐外仇外、民族主义等等。这种冲动的做法无助于美国人了解真正发生在中国的事情。可在辩论中，诘问辩论的对手从那里获得他们的讯息、要求他们资料翔实的进行理性的辩论、建议他们讨论历史问题时先咨询历史学家等，这和骂架可不是一个概念。
我也建议，凡事从诚心做起，一个极力不愿意接受事实的人，确实被洗脑了。
“为什么你们恨我们如此至深？”我们不禁要问。
“不，我们并不恨你们！”，你们回答道。
我们也不仇恨你们！
很高兴听到这个消息。在这个春天发生的骚动中，我关注的众多纷繁头绪中的一点就是：所有这些事情给大家产生了一个印象，那就是中国人反美，美国人仇中。两者都是错误的。我已经致力于中美关系研究22年有余，在中美两国两者身上都花了相同的时间。在我们两个国家都有许多自吹自擂、唯恐天下不乱的家伙。然而，我们互相间的吸引远远超过了互相之间的厌恶。中国人是彬彬有礼的主人，具有国际眼光，相对来说爱国更胜于民族主义倾向。 美国人对中抱有浓厚兴趣并对中国印象深刻。那就是我们欢迎那么多中国人到我们的大学学习、在我们的工厂工作、来我们的家庭作客。
我们也欢迎你们来工作学习生活。
但你们理解我们吗？
当我的许多中国朋友使用“理解中国”之类的词汇时，他们真正指的是“接受中国对自身的理解”，更明确一些就是“接受中国共产党对中国的诠释”。但没有人希望只获得别人想灌输他们的观点。人聪明不止于此。我对中国的理解无疑是不完全的（本来也不可能完全啊），而且肯定和中共的理解不同，但这并不能说明我的理解就不合逻辑或缺乏理性。中国人本身就有许多不同的对中国的理解，就像美国人对美国一样。也许我们一起放弃“理解”的话题，大家都会好过点。
确确实实希望你抛弃“接受西方人对自身的解释”的观点，抛弃偏见，真实是怎样的最好不要预设立场，不管是谁的解释，自己去认识一下才好。毛泽东有句名言：“想知道梨子的滋味最好亲自去尝一尝”，和你共勉。
“我们当然理解。”你们回答道。
我们有AFP、CNN、BBC……
看来作者显然是让一个美国稻草人自问自答。
能仍认识到稻草人的一面不容易，为你鼓掌
你们西方人到底要从我们这里得到什么？
仔细想想，然后再回答。
提了个好问题。我认为美国人无从答起。这需要花时间来仔细斟酌。过去二十年中国的高速发展是史无前例的，这对人类发展的各个领域都有重要意义。但中国不停地在变，那些意义也随之进化发展而难以把握。我们如何评价中国的发展和随之带来的问题？我们对此没有答案，也不可能有。中国对此也没有定见，正入已故中国领导人邓小平说的：改革是摸着石头过河。可我们明确的知道其中风险很高。这就是为什么中国发生的很多事件都被非中国人严格的审视和置疑。整个世界都在对中国的发展方向忐忑不安，因而对于提出的问题，这些提问者不会在不经过自己调查研究就认可中国政府的表态。西方和东方，每一个人，都有理由质疑中国将走向何方。
是啊，预设立场的调查研究确实对认识误差太大。每一个东方和西方的人，都有理由质疑，西方人到底想从我们这里得到什么？
因为你还有许多机会。
不要以威胁结尾。这会破坏了你宣称的有意和平的初衷.
威胁了什么？
够了够了，这个“同一个世界”充满了伪善。
这个世界确实伪善大行其道。伪善是一个简便易行的托词借口。让我们扔掉它。我们的共同挑战是应对复杂的局面。
快扔。
我们要同一个世界，同一个梦想，和世界和平
不管我们要不要它，我们拥有了同一个世界，而且每一个人都希望世界和平。不同文化的分水岭在于：大部分中国人以外的世界拥有不同的梦想，而且他们都想一蹴而就实现他们的梦想……我的梦想，你的梦想，一些我不喜欢甚至深恶痛绝的人的梦想，所有的都交织和竞争在一起，在一个动荡而又平和的混沌里，祝愿最美丽的梦想成真。“同一个梦想”只有被“同一个强权”所强加。人们不喜欢“同一个强权”。这就是为什么奥运火炬在东方和西方被角逐的主要原因。
西方能放弃霸权和强权吗？全世界人民为之欢呼雀跃。
我们居住的这个巨大蓝色的星球足够大，足够容纳我们所有人。
最好是这样。
北京奥运，好运！
为了全人类的北京奥运
What do you want from us?
When we were called “barbarians”, we were called the dirty stinking tibetans.
When our spiritual leader was called the next moral superpower, you called him a demon
When we closed our doors, you used your armies to open our markets
when we embrace free trade, you tell us we can only trade with you.
when we’re falling apart, you marched in your troops and “liberated us”
when we’re putting the broken pieces together, “terrorism” and “minority nationalism” and “splittism” you screamed!
So we tried Buddhism, you hated us for being Buddhist.
So we embraced communism, now you still don’t trust us
Then we have only a few million people, you still said our nomads are destroying the environment
Then you cut down all our trees and destroy our rivers, it is okay as long as you are destroying it.
When nobody knew about your abuses, you treat us worst than dogs
When the whole world see what you do, you tell them you treat us better than your own people
When we build our monasteries, you called us slaveowners
When we teach buddhism, you blamed us for splittism
When we tell the world of the truth in Tibet, you called us liars
When we were silent, you said you said we are backwards and uneducated
When we were silent no more, you say we were controlled by “evil Dalai clique” and “overseas forces”.
Why do you hate us so much? We asked. “No”. You answered, “we don’t hate you”.
We don’t hate you either Bud, do you understand us?? “of course we do”, you said, “We have CCTV and China Daily”.
But why, we still feel, you Chinese people are not happy with us.
What do you really want from us??
My friend, What do you really want from us??
my friend, ask yourself, why people are jailed for expressing love for your own country?
My friend ask yourself, why entire population has been silenced not to criticize the CCP?
My friend ask yourself, why poor people are always neglected, their land confiscated and their plea un-answered?
My friend ask yourself, why corruption amongst CCP officials always taken as granted?
My friend as yourself, why people in Tibet are shot indiscriminately, jailed and tortured for expressing their love for Dalai Lama?
My friend ask yourself why CCP with million strong army, police scared of meeting one simple buddhist monk?
My friend ask yourself why people are persecuted for keeping Dalai Lama’s photo in their private shrine room?
My friend ask yourself why thousands of fellow Chinese citizens are persecuted for peacefully following fulung gong practice?
My friend ask yourself Mao, who has blood in his hand of more than 70 million Chinese people still kept in Beijing?
My friend, can you answer for countless destruction of irreplaceable ancient artefacts, statues, scriptures and monasteries in Tibet by China??
My friend ask yourself, thousands of fellow Chinese students rumbled to death by PLA’S tanks and guns in 1989?
My friend ask yourself, why justice is still denied to Tiannenmen square mothers??
My friend ask yourself, thousands of innocent school kids parished in Sichuan recently, while CCP building stood up, most school collapsed!! who is to blame? where is the justice? Sichuan mothers are now silenced and some sent to jail. whyy
My friend, Dalai Lama seeks autonomy, non-voilently, whole world knows for ages, still CCP says he is seeking independence and seeks split China? Whyy
My friend ask yourself, why all media in CHIna are state controlled, events in Tibet or else where in China are only covered, manupulated and biased from the CCP propaganda point, is all Chinese brainwashed??
Innocent people are brutally gunned down in Tibet, in monasteries, in town, in village, on mountain, yet no one speak up for them, is Chinese have no human feeling? whyy no one speak?
My friend ask yourself,Tibetans have all aspect of live different from China, have all the evidences of an independent country before 1949, but CCP still keep on saying Tibet is part of China since ancient time!! who are they fooling? Chinese, world? but how long? how long can they live on covering lies after lies? Are Chinese lier? I don’t think so..
My friend ask yourself, if CCP is not using Olympic for political reason, why it took olympic torch on Mt.Everest with all the money being wasted, why the CCP boss in Tibet used the olympic ceremony in Lhasa to say he will crush Dalai Clique and CCP will stay in Tibet for ever?
My friend ask yourself, why China’s image in the world is bad, whyyy? Don’t blame Tibetans or democracy dissidents for it, it is CCP, for having worst human rights records, highest number of execution, links and support to all the despotic regimes in the world, mugabe, burma, north korea, Pakistan, Nepal, sudan, Usbekistan etc….
My friend ask yourself, why overseas Chinese students are asked and payed to come and protest during Dalai Lama#s overseas visits?
My friend ask yourself, Dalai Lama has said countless time, he is not seeking seperation but autonomy, he has supported openly Beijing olympic since the start, but CCP keep accusing him… where is the prove, evidence that riots in Tibet is orchestrated by Dalai lama?
My friend ask yourself, Tibetans did not do anything to China, but they occupied tibet, ruined everything, taken away people freedom, more than 1.2 million Tibetans died by China’s bullets. Now in Tibet, no media, more protection, no freedom, no joy, no respect, no harmony, only guns, army and killings and jail. Whyyy?
My friend ask yourself, when PLA first entered Tibet 1949, they came as a friend to help Tibet develop with the promise to withdaw back as soon as asked by Tibetans, but now they are plundering TIbet and terrorizing people.
My friend, ask yourself, as a human being can you speak from heart rather than following CCP propaganda? After all, we beleive Tibetans are also helping Chinese to stand up to CCP, stand up for their rights and freedom. Tibetans don’t hate Chinese at all, we just wanted to live in peace and dignity in our land, practicing our unique culture.
My friend, ask yourself, deep down, is dalai lama an evil man, a terrorist, lier, splittist and wolf in monks robe as CCP says???? Millions of Chinese secretly, silently pay respect and homage to dalai lama. This is truth.
My friend ask yourself, why real Panchen lama is still kidnapped by CCP? Why CCP, who doesn’t beleive in religion put a fake panchen?
My friend ask yourself, monks and nuns in Tibet are subjected to gross voilation of human rights and religious freedom, whyy??
My friend, how long will it go? its been now 50yrs of China’s illegal occupation of TIbet. In Tibet, CHINA still acts like cultural revolution era… , what is the point of hosting olympic if milliions in China are suffering from CCP monopoly?
My friend ask yourself, Dalai LAMA ssupported olympic for china for the CHINESE PEOPLE, not CCP. WHY don’t know you know and appreciate this? But you guys are stupid, mean and rude, you always follows CCP, spread lies and spread evil words to all, what you gain???? fooling yourself.
My friend, we hope olympic is bring some good changes in China, but still by using olympic, CCP is rounding up people, and restricting movements, restricting people#s rights etc. whyy
Anyway my friend, list will go on and on on on, China has power in economy, military but have no respect in the world, China have to earn that respect. CCP need to change, acknowledge past mistakes, apologize and move on!! Chinesee people, be kind, calm, peaceful, friendly and more understanding, you will live more happily. What is the point, destroying killings, destroying nd torturing innocent people all the time, we have one life, a short life, lets live it with purpose, compassion and love.
Dalai Lama still hope for the solution of Tibet problem with mutual understanding n respect, in peaceful, friendly way, lets see how CCP returns good gestures from Tibetan side.
Thank you, may truth prevails!!
well i hope u fell better getting that off your chest.watever it is u are trying to say….
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Truthfully we want your money
Why? The Dalai Lama is still under CIA’s control. It is a sacred right for non-Americans to stand up against American wrong-doings.
Speaking as a patriotic Black American, when I consider the “beam of global atrocities” in my own country’s eye I have but one question to ask….”What do you mean “we” white man?”