Comments on: The “Olympics Diary” of a Tibetan http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/08/the-%e2%80%9colympic-diary%e2%80%9d-of-a-tibetan/ Watching China Politics from Cyberspace Sat, 25 May 2013 18:20:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: palden http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/08/the-%e2%80%9colympic-diary%e2%80%9d-of-a-tibetan/#comment-3404 palden Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:43:24 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=23082#comment-3404 JH and SR, Chinese people are fundamentally brainwashed. The CCP even brainwash takes place even at minutest micromanage while the person is growing up.

For example, in first grade, there is two chapters about Loving PRC, Great Wall of China, Beijing as capital and so forth. Subsequently, they will teach you about How the CLEVER and SMART PRC’s PLA defeated Japanese armies or how a smart Chinese trickedand killed Japanese army. Also, there are chapter dealing how Chinese people were insulted in the west. I clearly remember a chapter (not which grade) about a Chinese student in Europe was asked to enter through a hole in the wall which is for dogs to enter, which was trying to tell that Chinese people were treated like dogs by white people. There are numerous stories like that. Due to this inculcation hatred to other people, I sometimes wonder HHDL’s love and compassion actually be stood by CHinese people. These are also the root of crazy Chinese nationalist sentiment. For anyone, who talks about Tibet or its human rights condition, to them its became a breaking-up of China and another colonial expansion.

As a child, being Tibetan, taught such a thing. Everything was at total oods with who I am and what family’s asperation.

I need to look at Tibet from greater view, geo-politics changes, but know one can tell. Until that happens or will force to happen if necessary as time demands such a force to be used, I think Tibetans and their supporters should not be given up.

]]> By: sr http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/08/the-%e2%80%9colympic-diary%e2%80%9d-of-a-tibetan/#comment-3403 sr Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:59:37 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=23082#comment-3403 jh, I share most, if not all, your sentiments. I watched it for the first time last night and I could not stop thinking about it all night.
In regards to the PRC, all I feel is anger and hatred. And when I hear or read people trying to justify the PRC’s actions in Tibet, it makes me sick to my stomach. These people do not realize that the PRC’s policies and actions in Tibet are completely separate from what they currently are in proper China. Even though there are vast injustices in proper China now, they pale in comparison with what is going on in Tibet.
The PRC and sadly many Chinese people are blinded by their own ego, or according to Freud their id, when communicating in regards to Tibet.
As a Tibetan-American I am committed to raising awareness about the plight of the Tibetans inside Tibet. As are all other Tibetans refugees and their children and their children, etc… This will go on as long as the colonialist Chinese are in Tibet, and the signs in Tibet are written in Chinese and not Tibetan. I guarantee it.

]]> By: jh http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/08/the-%e2%80%9colympic-diary%e2%80%9d-of-a-tibetan/#comment-3397 jh Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:46:32 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=23082#comment-3397 There is another argument why Tibet should be independent.
Tibetan culture is reaching as far as Kalmykia in Russia, Mongolia, all across the Indian Himalayas, Bhutan and Nepal (if not others as well). The Chinese have robbed these people of their cultural heartland. Tibetans are not a minority of China but stand tall on their own!

]]> By: jh http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/08/the-%e2%80%9colympic-diary%e2%80%9d-of-a-tibetan/#comment-3390 jh Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:29:28 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=23082#comment-3390 sr, thanks for posting the BBC video. I’ve just watched it.
What can I say? A lot of what was shown I have seen with my own eyes, and even though I try to tell myself that the Dalai Lama’s approach of seeking meaningful autonomy only is accomodating and “realistic” (is it really? so far it has not yielded any results), my heart tells me there is only one solution that restores justice to the Tibetans:
RANGZEN!

The Chinese can’t be trusted. In Vienna again they have been back-stabbing India. They will only seek their own advantage and trample ruthlessly on others. Tibetans will *never* be happy under Chinese rule…
Bod gyalo!

]]> By: sr http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/08/the-%e2%80%9colympic-diary%e2%80%9d-of-a-tibetan/#comment-3385 sr Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:59:12 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=23082#comment-3385 I’m posting a video journal about a Tibetan man who escaped from Tibet 11 years ago and who went back to Tibet just three months before the March 14 uprising, and subsequent brutal crackdown that continues today.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7982410976871193492

]]> By: palden http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/08/the-%e2%80%9colympic-diary%e2%80%9d-of-a-tibetan/#comment-3382 palden Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:40:58 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=23082#comment-3382 George, you exposed Shangrila? Haa, you must be kidding. Tibetans never claimed their land is shangrila, even there is no word for this Shangrila in Tibetan. If you ever find one, please write it here. It is West’s obsession with imagination and stupidity took little bit far. There never has so called Shangrila, maybe people like you believed it and now you think it is exposed. If you still wnt to believe into your stupidity, go to Tibetans Areas in Karze where Chinese government especially created a place to satisfy your ego of Shagrila which is known as “Xiang Ke Li la”.

Therefore, no one is jumping up and down whatever you say about Tibet. Tibet was a human society with its own leader, culture, religion, language, history and so forth. That differentiate us from Chinese. So, go home!

NG

]]> By: jh http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/08/the-%e2%80%9colympic-diary%e2%80%9d-of-a-tibetan/#comment-3366 jh Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:12:23 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=23082#comment-3366 After having looked at numerous comment sections in all kinds of international media, I am yet to read my *first* comment by a Tibetan defending the current Chinese rule in Tibet. Interestingly, it is only Chinese bloggers who do…
I mean, would I have considered Japanese views only about the occupation of China at the time? They would surely have argued that Japan was more advanced, that China was a backward feudal society and that they were only bringing modernity… Why have the Chinese been so ungrateful then?

]]> By: jh http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/08/the-%e2%80%9colympic-diary%e2%80%9d-of-a-tibetan/#comment-3365 jh Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:03:16 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=23082#comment-3365 @George_001:
Your comment is such a mess, I’m not getting it…
What is “fake Shangri La”? The happy Tibet (except for the occasional riots) that China presents or the happy Tibet before the Chinese invasion?
What is hell on earth? Chinese labour camps, prisons, torture etc. or the feudal society in Tibet before the Chinese invasion?
Who shoots whom? Chinese border guards Tibetan nuns and children as they escape to India or Tibetans shooting, well, I don’t know whom???
Are your thoughts as confused as your comment?

]]> By: jh http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/08/the-%e2%80%9colympic-diary%e2%80%9d-of-a-tibetan/#comment-3361 jh Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:18:59 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=23082#comment-3361 @George:
You wrote:
“You trust most of “free Tibet website” Even though most of them never been to Tibet themselves let alone corroborated the rumours, lie that they put on their website Yet you accused me of being gullible Now who is gullible here.”

Sorry, but do care at all to read before you reply…?
I wrote about personal experience. I have never quoted any “free Tibet website”, neither did I claim that I trust any.

So I am asking once more:
where is your personal experience in all of this? Do you have any?

If, again, you don’t answer that simple question I really can’t be bothered any longer to reply to your comments which so far have not shown any substance at all…

]]> By: George_001 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/08/the-%e2%80%9colympic-diary%e2%80%9d-of-a-tibetan/#comment-3354 George_001 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:51:44 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=23082#comment-3354 George said Anna interviewed a run-a-way serf who got no education at all. However, in George’s world, the Girl not oly able to describe terror of past, but even able to speak English to Anna. Such a joke being made!

Now did you ever heard of interpreter There is such thing as interpreter you know

George, all societies had faults, no exception to Tibet. Therefore, there is no excuse for invasion. Whatever Tibetans endured past, today we are not not welcoming Chinese in our homeland.

I am responding to the “Moral ground to govern that JH ask” I say they have no moral ground whatsoever after treating the tibetan like a “talking animal”

Now now who is jumping up an down after their fake Shangri La exposed as hell on earth If you cannot shoot the message You now try to shoot the massenger So much for fair and balance view

]]> By: palden http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/08/the-%e2%80%9colympic-diary%e2%80%9d-of-a-tibetan/#comment-3353 palden Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:42:53 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=23082#comment-3353 Corretion: NOT CHINESE LIBREATION ARMY, Japanese Liberation Army!

A well chronicled running-dog-propagandists of Chinese communist party and leftist!

http://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2008/07/13/running-dog-propagandists/

]]> By: palden http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/08/the-%e2%80%9colympic-diary%e2%80%9d-of-a-tibetan/#comment-3352 palden Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:38:10 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=23082#comment-3352 Goerge is so pathetic, he just got no brian and independent thinking. When he Mentioned the Melvyn Goldstein, I thought he would go on to cite all the running-dog-propagandists. Yes, today when I am reading this comment section again, George went to all cite all the propagadist one by one, from Anna Louise Strong to Michael Parenti to Barry Sautman. I am too familiar these faces and names. George even casually cited earlier visitors to Tibet witnessed this and that. Who are visitors? The last British embassador to Lhasa? The Henrich Harrier? He did not give any names.

George said Anna interviewed a run-a-way serf who got no education at all. However, in George’s world, the Girl not oly able to describe terror of past, but even able to speak English to Anna. Such a joke being made!

George, all societies had faults, no exception to Tibet. Therefore, there is no excuse for invasion. Whatever Tibetans endured past, today we are not not welcoming Chinese in our homeland.

It is like China is part of Europe because Europeans ruled China for many years. Even in modern day, because of raping and looting of Chinese masses by CHinese elites, Japanese had to come to the rescue of common Chinese masses, Chinese people should be grateful for Chinese liberation army for getting ride of all the Chinese oppressors and lords in Naking. It was not a massacre, it was simply getting rid of oppressors of humanity. So, China is part of Japan.

Palden

]]> By: sr http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/08/the-%e2%80%9colympic-diary%e2%80%9d-of-a-tibetan/#comment-3350 sr Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:38:55 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=23082#comment-3350 Being in the research field I can’t help but frame this discourse into the research proffession.
I picture George as a self proclaimed scientist who deliberatly falsifies his data in order to prove his theory. Even though there is mountains of empirical data against it. Plane and simple, George you need psychological assistance. Strike that you need psychiatric assistance because you most definitely need pharmaceuticals.
I think a little psychological exploration is in order. Where does the obsession some Chinese people have with Tibet come from? Of course the political obsession is obvious, but what about the common Chinese person? What do they have to gain from claiming Tibet as China and Tibetans as Chinese? Seriously please…

]]> By: sr http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/08/the-%e2%80%9colympic-diary%e2%80%9d-of-a-tibetan/#comment-3348 sr Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:46:02 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=23082#comment-3348 George: Your a complete lunatic! and your ego is out of control. Wow…HH the Dalai lama was right, you are a good teacher. Ohm Mani Padme Hum (Those of us who have actually listened to HHDL speak know what I’m talking about).
When you take data from biased shite sources, makes your reference nothing more than biased shite. I mean come on…your sources are nothing but info coming directly or indirectly from China! Either Chinese people or westerners with Chinese connections.
Among all the other BS in your references is this pathetic claim that there are only 2 million Tibetans in Tibet. There might be 2 million Tibetans in the TAR but you are conveniently not counnting the majority of Tibetans who live in Kham and Amdo. Nice try.
“Being a tourist in Tibet doesn’t qualify you as an expert in Tibet”, are you kidding, you must be joking! I suppose if you were a colonialist in Tibet does make you a expert?

]]> By: George http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/08/the-%e2%80%9colympic-diary%e2%80%9d-of-a-tibetan/#comment-3347 George Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:33:05 +0000 http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=23082#comment-3347 You trust most of “free Tibet website” Even though most of them never been to Tibet themselves let alone corroborated the rumours, lie that they put on their website Yet you accused me of being gullible Now who is gullible here

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