<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" 	> <channel><title>Comments on: Banned from Discussion: List of Community Forums Censored by Baidu</title> <atom:link href="http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2009/04/banned-from-discussion-list-of-community-forums-censored-by-baidu/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2009/04/banned-from-discussion-list-of-community-forums-censored-by-baidu/</link> <description>Watching China Politics from Cyberspace</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 19:19:18 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: USpace</title><link>http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2009/04/banned-from-discussion-list-of-community-forums-censored-by-baidu/#comment-10105</link> <dc:creator>USpace</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 04:17:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=37574#comment-10105</guid> <description>. They can&#039;t talk about anything, those poor people.  That&#039;s what you get with Communism, totalitarianism, no way around it.  You can&#039;t have the people talking about the lies of the Government, the lies of communism, the Government can&#039;t allow it, they need their jobs.  They are trapped in the Matrix too.  Socialism and Communism are lies, pure and simple. . absurd thought - God of the Universe says outlaw most bloggerslicense all the rest monitor their writing .</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.<br /> They can&#8217;t talk about anything, those poor people.  That&#8217;s what you get with Communism, totalitarianism, no way around it.  You can&#8217;t have the people talking about the lies of the Government, the lies of communism, the Government can&#8217;t allow it, they need their jobs.  They are trapped in the Matrix too.  Socialism and Communism are lies, pure and simple.<br /> .<br /> absurd thought -<br /> God of the Universe says<br /> outlaw most bloggers</p><p>license all the rest<br /> monitor their writing<br /> .</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: China: Banned words in Baidu web fora-CDT &#171; FACT - Freedom Against Censorship Thailand</title><link>http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2009/04/banned-from-discussion-list-of-community-forums-censored-by-baidu/#comment-10004</link> <dc:creator>China: Banned words in Baidu web fora-CDT &#171; FACT - Freedom Against Censorship Thailand</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:42:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=37574#comment-10004</guid> <description>[...]   Banned from Discussion: List of Community Forums Censored by Baidu Xiao Qiang China Digital Times: April 17, [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]   Banned from Discussion: List of Community Forums Censored by Baidu Xiao Qiang China Digital Times: April 17, [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jh</title><link>http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2009/04/banned-from-discussion-list-of-community-forums-censored-by-baidu/#comment-9869</link> <dc:creator>jh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:39:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=37574#comment-9869</guid> <description>John,thanks for your thorough reply. I looked up the link as well as the amazingly comprehensive article on the conflict found on wikipedia.I am no lawyer, neither am I a historian. And I am not an Indian nationalist as I am not even Indian (and, mind you, you are not a Tibetan, so you are also not talking about areas that have ever been inhabited by your ancestors).What I found reasonable were the following Indian views noted in the wikipedia article: 1) &quot;According to later Indian claims, this border was intended to run through the highest ridges of the Himalayas, as the areas south of the Himalayas were traditionally Indian.[22] However, the McMahon Line lay south of the boundary India claims.[14] India&#039;s government held the view that the Himalayas were the ancient boundaries of the Indian subcontinent, and thus should be the modern boundaries of India[22] while it is the position of the Chinese government that the disputed area in the Himalayas have been geographically and culturally part of Tibet since ancient times[23]&quot; 2) With regard to Tawang: &quot;Due to the increased threat of Japanese and Chinese expansion during this period, British Indian troops secured the town as part of the defense of India&#039;s eastern border.[6]&quot;I have spent much time in the Himalayas, so I can relate to what is being talked about.The Himalaya not being a line but a range of mountains makes it somewhat difficult to draw a border. Still, the intention of the McMahon line should have been to follow the highest ridges of the Himalayas as this would be the &quot;natural&quot; border line for the modern nation states of China and India. There is no point really in insisting on borders at one particular point in time (what the Chinese side calls &quot;geographically and culturally part of Tibet since ancient times&quot;) because borders have shifted all the time with the rise and fall of kingdoms and empires. There are plenty of Tibetan influenced areas south of the Himalayas like Ladakh, Kinnaur, Spiti, Sikkim, Bhutan etc. which are not claimed by China. And while there is obviously no need to incorporate them in modern day Tibet, there is a need to have a &quot;natural&quot; border between modern day China and India, in particular as there is one available as outstanding as the high Himalayas.As for Tawang, it lays way south of the highest ridges and is strategically much too important for modern India to give it up to China. Asking India to give up Tawang is the same as asking China to give up Hongkong again and allowing the US to station its army there. How willing would China be for such a &quot;deal&quot;?I think all of this is pretty much common sense. It is only Chinese nationalist thinking which is in the way of ending this border dispute. India has more or less accepted that Aksai Chin is strategically relevant to China, and so should China acknowledge the same for Tawang.And after having agreed, the borders between India and Tibet should over time become open again as they have always been since ancient times.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p><p>thanks for your thorough reply.<br /> I looked up the link as well as the amazingly comprehensive article on the conflict found on wikipedia.</p><p>I am no lawyer, neither am I a historian. And I am not an Indian nationalist as I am not even Indian (and, mind you, you are not a Tibetan, so you are also not talking about areas that have ever been inhabited by your ancestors).</p><p>What I found reasonable were the following Indian views noted in the wikipedia article:<br /> 1)<br /> &#8220;According to later Indian claims, this border was intended to run through the highest ridges of the Himalayas, as the areas south of the Himalayas were traditionally Indian.[22] However, the McMahon Line lay south of the boundary India claims.[14]<br /> India&#8217;s government held the view that the Himalayas were the ancient boundaries of the Indian subcontinent, and thus should be the modern boundaries of India[22] while it is the position of the Chinese government that the disputed area in the Himalayas have been geographically and culturally part of Tibet since ancient times[23]&#8221;<br /> 2)<br /> With regard to Tawang:<br /> &#8220;Due to the increased threat of Japanese and Chinese expansion during this period, British Indian troops secured the town as part of the defense of India&#8217;s eastern border.[6]&#8221;</p><p>I have spent much time in the Himalayas, so I can relate to what is being talked about.</p><p>The Himalaya not being a line but a range of mountains makes it somewhat difficult to draw a border. Still, the intention of the McMahon line should have been to follow the highest ridges of the Himalayas as this would be the &#8220;natural&#8221; border line for the modern nation states of China and India.<br /> There is no point really in insisting on borders at one particular point in time (what the Chinese side calls &#8220;geographically and culturally part of Tibet since ancient times&#8221;) because borders have shifted all the time with the rise and fall of kingdoms and empires.<br /> There are plenty of Tibetan influenced areas south of the Himalayas like Ladakh, Kinnaur, Spiti, Sikkim, Bhutan etc. which are not claimed by China.<br /> And while there is obviously no need to incorporate them in modern day Tibet, there is a need to have a &#8220;natural&#8221; border between modern day China and India, in particular as there is one available as outstanding as the high Himalayas.</p><p>As for Tawang, it lays way south of the highest ridges and is strategically much too important for modern India to give it up to China.<br /> Asking India to give up Tawang is the same as asking China to give up Hongkong again and allowing the US to station its army there.<br /> How willing would China be for such a &#8220;deal&#8221;?</p><p>I think all of this is pretty much common sense. It is only Chinese nationalist thinking which is in the way of ending this border dispute.<br /> India has more or less accepted that Aksai Chin is strategically relevant to China, and so should China acknowledge the same for Tawang.</p><p>And after having agreed, the borders between India and Tibet should over time become open again as they have always been since ancient times.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John_01</title><link>http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2009/04/banned-from-discussion-list-of-community-forums-censored-by-baidu/#comment-9848</link> <dc:creator>John_01</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:40:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=37574#comment-9848</guid> <description>No comparison Hitler attack and occupied,butchered Poland. China just want to make a point then she withdraw to line of control It works all these 56 years peace is maintained, BTW tibetan irregular and transport brigade help China and was credited with valor and meritThe war was lost because of the incompetence and misjudgement on the part of Indian high command http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/oct/08max2.htm The struggle between those factions both fed on and fed into the strains placed on the Army by the government&#039;s contradictory and hypocritical policies -- on the one hand, proclaiming China an eternal friend against whom it was unnecessary to arm; on the other, exerting armed force to seize territory it knew China regarded as its own.Through the early 1950s, Nehru&#039;s covertly expansionist policy had been implemented by armed border police under the Intelligence Bureau, whose director, N B Mullik, was another favourite and confidant of the prime minister. The Army high command, knowing its forces to be too weak to risk conflict with China, would have nothing to do with it. Indeed when the potential for Sino-Indian conflict inherent in Mullik&#039;s aggressive forward patrolling was demonstrated in the serious clash at the Kongka Pass in October 1959, Army HQ and the ministry of external affairs united to denounce him as a provocateur and insisted that control over all activities on the border be assumed by the Army, which thus could insulate China from Mullik&#039;s jabs.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No comparison Hitler attack and occupied,butchered Poland. China just want to make a point then she withdraw to line of control It works all these 56 years peace is maintained, BTW tibetan irregular and transport brigade help China and was credited with valor and merit</p><p>The war was lost because of the incompetence and misjudgement on the part of Indian high command<br /> <a href="http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/oct/08max2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/oct/08max2.htm</a><br /> The struggle between those factions both fed on and fed into the strains placed on the Army by the government&#8217;s contradictory and hypocritical policies &#8212; on the one hand, proclaiming China an eternal friend against whom it was unnecessary to arm; on the other, exerting armed force to seize territory it knew China regarded as its own.</p><p>Through the early 1950s, Nehru&#8217;s covertly expansionist policy had been implemented by armed border police under the Intelligence Bureau, whose director, N B Mullik, was another favourite and confidant of the prime minister. The Army high command, knowing its forces to be too weak to risk conflict with China, would have nothing to do with it. Indeed when the potential for Sino-Indian conflict inherent in Mullik&#8217;s aggressive forward patrolling was demonstrated in the serious clash at the Kongka Pass in October 1959, Army HQ and the ministry of external affairs united to denounce him as a provocateur and insisted that control over all activities on the border be assumed by the Army, which thus could insulate China from Mullik&#8217;s jabs.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John_01</title><link>http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2009/04/banned-from-discussion-list-of-community-forums-censored-by-baidu/#comment-9847</link> <dc:creator>John_01</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:30:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=37574#comment-9847</guid> <description>JH read this from rediff At the end of the war Indian goverment initiate an investigation as to the cause of the war To their horror they found out they are at fault The report was hidden for numbered of year. Until british researcher Neville Maxwell get acces to it http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/oct/08max1.htmAfter the 1962 war, the Indian Army commissioned Lieutenant General Henderson Brooks and Brigadier P S Bhagat to study the debacle. As is wont in India, their report was never made public and lies buried in the government archives. But some experts have managed to piece together the contents of the report. One such person is Neville Maxwell, who has studied the 1962 war in depth.In the article that follows, Indians will be shocked to discover that, when China crushed India in 1962, the fault lay at India, or more specifically, at Jawaharlal Nehru and his clique&#039;s doorsteps. It was a hopelessly ill-prepared Indian Army that provoked China on orders emanating from Delhi, and paid the price for its misadventure in men, money and national humiliation.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JH read this from rediff At the end of the war Indian goverment initiate an investigation as to the cause of the war To their horror they found out they are at fault The report was hidden for numbered of year. Until british researcher Neville Maxwell get acces to it<br /> <a href="http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/oct/08max1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/oct/08max1.htm</a></p><p>After the 1962 war, the Indian Army commissioned Lieutenant General Henderson Brooks and Brigadier P S Bhagat to study the debacle. As is wont in India, their report was never made public and lies buried in the government archives. But some experts have managed to piece together the contents of the report. One such person is Neville Maxwell, who has studied the 1962 war in depth.</p><p>In the article that follows, Indians will be shocked to discover that, when China crushed India in 1962, the fault lay at India, or more specifically, at Jawaharlal Nehru and his clique&#8217;s doorsteps. It was a hopelessly ill-prepared Indian Army that provoked China on orders emanating from Delhi, and paid the price for its misadventure in men, money and national humiliation.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jh</title><link>http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2009/04/banned-from-discussion-list-of-community-forums-censored-by-baidu/#comment-9846</link> <dc:creator>jh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:02:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=37574#comment-9846</guid> <description>John,where and in which way did India try to encroach on Chinese territory? And how come the Chinese army was much more numerous and well equipped in such a remote place if they were taken by surprise?I don&#039;t buy any of this.Did you know that Germany attacked Poland in defense only because Poland &quot;tried to encroach on German territory&quot;? That is how WWII started. Amazing how history repeats itself...Of course, you can&#039;t call yourself a fascist anymore after Hitler defamed that honourable attitude. I understand that.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p><p>where and in which way did India try to encroach on Chinese territory?<br /> And how come the Chinese army was much more numerous and well equipped in such a remote place if they were taken by surprise?</p><p>I don&#8217;t buy any of this.</p><p>Did you know that Germany attacked Poland in defense only because Poland &#8220;tried to encroach on German territory&#8221;?<br /> That is how WWII started.<br /> Amazing how history repeats itself&#8230;</p><p>Of course, you can&#8217;t call yourself a fascist anymore after Hitler defamed that honourable attitude. I understand that.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John_01</title><link>http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2009/04/banned-from-discussion-list-of-community-forums-censored-by-baidu/#comment-9835</link> <dc:creator>John_01</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:53:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=37574#comment-9835</guid> <description>I wonder why China did not sign a border treaty with India…oh yeah because *Tibet* signed the border treaty with India!No because the so called border was arbitrarily delineated by socalled MacMahon line which the Chinese does not recoqnized as valid. It was an attempt by the british to established buffer zone between british India and China. No tibet has no authority to sign socalled Simla agreement as Tibet was not independent country!And the Chinese representative correctly refused to sign the agreement.In 1962 India try to encroach on Chinese teritory But was badly beaten and the indian military literarily collapsed All road are open to New Delhi. Everybody was expecting China to march to New Delhi . Instead China withdrawn to Line of Control voluntaririly . No where in the annal of History a conquering army after beaten the opponent, on it own withdrawn to her border .Because the point has been made &quot;Don&#039;t touch the sanctity of Chinese border&quot; It was worthed it, as peace was established.India dared not to touch Chinese border since!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why China did not sign a border treaty with India…oh yeah because *Tibet* signed the border treaty with India!</p><p>No because the so called border was arbitrarily delineated by socalled MacMahon line which the Chinese does not recoqnized as valid. It was an attempt by the british to established buffer zone between british India and China. No tibet has no authority to sign socalled Simla agreement as Tibet was not independent country!</p><p>And the Chinese representative correctly refused to sign the agreement.</p><p>In 1962 India try to encroach on Chinese teritory But was badly beaten and the indian military literarily collapsed All road are open to New Delhi. Everybody was expecting China to march to New Delhi . Instead China withdrawn to Line of Control voluntaririly . No where in the annal of History a conquering army after beaten the opponent, on it own withdrawn to her border .Because the point has been made &#8220;Don&#8217;t touch the sanctity of Chinese border&#8221; It was worthed it, as peace was established.</p><p>India dared not to touch Chinese border since!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MAC</title><link>http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2009/04/banned-from-discussion-list-of-community-forums-censored-by-baidu/#comment-9834</link> <dc:creator>MAC</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:04:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=37574#comment-9834</guid> <description>&quot;Fascists believe that nations and races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in combat against the weak.&quot;Funny, are you trying to say that the Chinese are NOT fascists, because this  sounds like the Chinese to the letter. 落后要挨打， 国富兵强才不被人欺负, etc. etc.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fascists believe that nations and races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in combat against the weak.&#8221;</p><p>Funny, are you trying to say that the Chinese are NOT fascists, because this  sounds like the Chinese to the letter. 落后要挨打， 国富兵强才不被人欺负, etc. etc.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: sr</title><link>http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2009/04/banned-from-discussion-list-of-community-forums-censored-by-baidu/#comment-9833</link> <dc:creator>sr</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:27:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=37574#comment-9833</guid> <description>@John, You must really be at odds with the actions of the PRC for the last 60 years (and even farther back than that) if you &quot;don&#039;t believe in teritorial expansion or conquering other people and land&quot;. And hmmmm...I wonder why China did not sign a border treaty with India...oh yeah because *Tibet* signed the border treaty with India!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John,<br /> You must really be at odds with the actions of the PRC for the last 60 years (and even farther back than that) if you &#8220;don&#8217;t believe in teritorial expansion or conquering other people and land&#8221;.<br /> And hmmmm&#8230;I wonder why China did not sign a border treaty with India&#8230;oh yeah because *Tibet* signed the border treaty with India!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John_01</title><link>http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2009/04/banned-from-discussion-list-of-community-forums-censored-by-baidu/#comment-9831</link> <dc:creator>John_01</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:59:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://chinadigitaltimes.net/?p=37574#comment-9831</guid> <description>Fascists believe that nations and races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in combat against the weak.No JH I don&#039;t believe in teritorial expansion or conquering other people and land. I believe it is wrong. Fortunately China doesn&#039;t fit your  definition of Fascist state.Contrary to your wild imagination,China sign border treaties with all their neighbors save India. Once signed China keep it side of the agreement recognizing the sanctity and inviolation of border. But at the same time China expect the other countries to respect her border and sovereignty And yes that include Tibet.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascists believe that nations and races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in combat against the weak.</p><p>No JH I don&#8217;t believe in teritorial expansion or conquering other people and land. I believe it is wrong. Fortunately China doesn&#8217;t fit your  definition of Fascist state.</p><p>Contrary to your wild imagination,China sign border treaties with all their neighbors save India. Once signed China keep it side of the agreement recognizing the sanctity and inviolation of border. But at the same time China expect the other countries to respect her border and sovereignty And yes that include Tibet.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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