Ehhh… Dude, babe (drool, drool, slobber, slobber) or whatever indeterminant sex/gender you are, as expected from your level of reasoning, you’re going around in circles, both topic and reasoning-wise.

Actually, I did talked about the Chinese constitution and constitutions in general, as well as jurisprudence. It’s obvious that either you can’t read or do not/cannot think about what you’ve just read. Go read the postings again LOL!

Legally speaking, you may want to consider the purpose of a constitution, rather than just the content of a constitution. Consider also why there are amendments to consitutions as well as volumes and volumes of additional secular and religious laws, rules, codes of conduct and other informal social rules and etiquette when in an ideal world any given nation’s constituion ought to be enough.

You may also want to consider the need and the role of setting priorities from both an individual and national perspective. As for “the regime” or any other government for that matter, ask yourself who and what is it exactly? Is it a monolithic entity or is it made of many individuals? Do they all have identical motivations and thought process?

As for Liu Xiaobo, while I generally do not disagree with his message, where he unfortunately failed was on his delivery, which in many instances, even outside of politics, is as important if not more so than the message itself, c’est la vie, n’est pas?. That is so particularly in this juncture of China’s political, social and economic development, which some in mainland and outside of China consider as being too slow, while others think it’s too fast.

In fact, his and that of Charter 08′s criticism and demands are nothing new, but are oft repeated by sections of China’s government and establishment. So the question is why was he singled out, what marks him as different? Why did some past demands for reforms succeeded and others failed?

While I commend your idealism, it is useless when unaccompanied by knowledge, reason, experience or temperament. When such imbalance is taken to extreme for whatever reasons, justified or not, the results are TAM and countless other student or dissident movements and uprisings throughout human history, irrespective of cultures or nationalities, whether the outcome is peaceful or not.

Ultimately, you need to widen both your horizon and your persepctive some more. To that effect, you may want to check out the following books, “An Introduction to Law”, Phil Harris (an introductory book on the common law legal system and jurisprudence since you may have a HK connection) or “The Passions of Law”, edited by Susuan A. Bandes (basically a reader about the interplay between jurisprudence and human emotions and the tension between reason and emotions).

Go back and re-read my comments in their entirety and if you repeat yourself or act like a knucklehead or a bimbo again, I just might swear at you in half a dozen or so languages and dialects. And like Umberto Eco’s Salvatore, it ain’t going to be pretty. Now go find out who and what Salvatore is all about, LOL!!!

I asked you about the Constitution but you never replied to that. Instead you rambled on and on about substandard goods.

So that this brutal regime can stay in power, basic human rights and freedoms are taken away from the people. Brave critics like Liu Xiaobo are harrassed, intimidated, hounded, tortured, jailed, etc. Funny to think how fragile the regime actually is in that they fear opposition from their own people, from an unarmed scholar like Liu Xiaobo.

Ehh, I believe it was YOU who raised the issue of defective/fake products in this thread about Liu Xiaobo.

Sigh… the pitiful attention span and intellectual depth of a gnat.

I was on Liu Xiaobo and basic human rights and freedoms and rule of law in China.

I shan’t waste my time here any more, as I see Communist tactic – shifting the focus.

Wow! All those just from caveat emptor? Fascinating. Pray tell where did I say that I do not care about people’s wellbeing? You sure do like to put words into other people’s mouth or is that simply your over-fertile imagination leading you to exaggerate and extrapolate all sorts of conjuring unto opinions you disagree with? Wow! Talk about attempt at character assassination.

You’ve obviously missed out on what I said about balance in the preceding sentence. Besides since reforms and the breaking of the iron rice bowl, people, whether acting as both consumers or producers, have to learn to be responsible, by hook or by crook. The alternative is a return to the State dominating all aspects and minutiae of daily life.

The irony is that from all your bitching, I get the impression that this is what you in fact yearn for. It is a phenomenon that I’ve often come across in so called “developed” societies where the social-economic policies are increasingly left-leaning and where the people look increasingly to the state to solve their problems in return for their votes. People ultimately devolve all manner of personal responsibilities to the state, which in turn becomes increasingly nanny-like in response.

Is that what you’re really pining for? The “order” of a regimented state where there are no uncertainties and the state that makes all your decisions and solves all your problems. Well we sure know how well that turned out. And you wanted freedom and democracy? Well guess what? “Freedom” means that those determined to cheat will have the latitude to inevitably find the ways and the means to do so, nevermind allowing people the simple opportunity to screw up and thereby learn from their mistakes, whether as governments, as producers or as consumers. Whether the country is “developed” or developing. Frankly, we’ll probably see much more of such incidents as well as social unrest etc. before things improve. It’s call growing pains and are par of the course when any society restructure itself.

Finally, if you want to be charitable, do it for the sake of the cause because it is worthwhile in and of itself, not because of other people’s or the government’s shortcomings. The world is full of shortcomings and if that is your motivation, you’ll probably suffer an aneurysm sooner or later and like so many HK people go through life with a briefcase full of assorted pharmacology.

In end, yes it is each individual’s responsibility to buy and to eat what they like for in the “free” society that you are espousing that is your decision to make. Ultimately, the road to and of “freedom” and democracy is messy and it is chaotic. It means both rights, but crucially also responsibilities. While we all know that you claim to be capable of handling your “rights”, you need to ask yourself whether you are sure that you can handle the responsibilities as well? LOL!

The state spent 40m+ yuan on developing Green Dam. If they’ve got all that money to waste on acts of privacy encroachment, I don’t think I should curtail my own enjoyment to play a complicit part in their wasteful project spying on fellow Chinese.

So open your eyes, those who side with him. He is saying that too bad, Chinese consumers, the unsafe foods you happen to eat are your own responsibility. It’s got nothing to do with greedy entrepreneurs and the dysfunctioning regulatory system of the state, nor the greedy culture the leadership is spreading by putting money before human life.

He’s also saying that those in power are doing fine acting unconstitutionally. Be wary. If someone is always full of praises for you, even if you make gross mistakes, the place he wants you to end up in could very well be hell.

Oh, the direction the rulers are taking China — Green Dam and all. Actually, what good is a ruling party if it can’t stay in power without the help of Green Dam, Yellow Dam, Red Dam, etc. and escalated cruelty to political dissidents. Now here’s something to think about.

Spare me. Libel, etc. laws? Do laws exist in the eyes of the CCP leadership?

Swearing? Qui? Moi? LOL!

“Spare the rod, spoil the child”? Wow, so you’re China’s mother now are you? LOL! What hubris! You’re half-Chinese? Bravo, you want a prize to go with that? LOL!

However, fundamentally, I think you misunderstood alot of what I said. I consider perspectives and I rather look at the process and the direction that China is taking rather than just the problems it has to deal with at each moment in time.

Frankly I don’t care whether it’s the CCP, the KMT or the DPP, so long as the results on the balance are positive. China bashing “Hongkies” can bitch all they want for I find poetic justice in that many HKers were equally dismissive of Mainlanders in the 70′s and 80′s (check out all the TVB shows from those eras, LOL).

As for Liu Xiaobao and Lin Juemin, ask yourself this, do the times create heroes or do heroes create the times(translated from the Cantonese)? As for “Democracy”, frankly China and the majority of its peoples have other more urgent priorities. Besides, there isn’t and neither ought there be a homogeneous approach to “Democracy” and I rather China takes its time and get it right rather than going down Russia’s route and waste 20 years just to take a step back to start all over again.

As for rights enshrined in the Chinese Constitution or any other consitution for that matter, no right is absolute in its exercise. For ex., freedom of speech is curtailed by libel, obscenity and security laws, freedom of religion is balanced by the need to protect vulnerable younsters among other concerns and the list goes on. So go and think long and hard about any alleged “freedoms” you think you might have. LOL!

Btw. research? Those issues and food scandals were merely off of my head, for no country is unique in that regard. People have been trying to cheat each other ever since the first trade was invented, so caveat emptor is all I can say. LOL!

LOL, you’re right, my serious bad about the use of rhymes in Chinese poems. I guess that’s what comes from reading Chinese characters/poems in different dialects all at once. Besides I tend to focus on what is said rather than whether it rhymes or not.

As for thinking about people who’ve posted here, dude, you’re are the one who began by flinging accusations about who or what people are or are not. I usually try to stick to what is said, unless people get offensive, so pots and kettles? LOL.

As for my LOL alot, well that’s just my personality for you see I’m a happy go lucky sorta person with a cynical and satirical outlook on most things. And yes I do LOL that much in real life too, so psychoanalyse away. Spending too much time thinking about people posting here? LOL!

As for Hobson, maybe you might tell us WHY you disagree with him, instead of just saying he’s baaaaad (Orwell be proud). You see, rather than throwing the baby out with the bath water, I tend to judge a book on its details.

As for recommending Hobson, well I regard it as a suitable and easily accessible general primer and if you want something deeper, you might want to try “The Theft of History” & “The East is in the West”, Goody, Cambridge University Press or “The Renaissance Bazaar: From the Silk Road to Michelangelo”, Brotton, Oxford University Press. Or if you’re really adventurous, “Der Mythos vom Zivilisationsprozess”, Duerr, Suhrkamp Verlag, FaM.

Btw. I’m a native speaker of a few different languages and dialects, now go and consider what that means, LOL!