One More Olympic Secret: How Old is He Kexin (何可欣), Really? (Updated)
While Reuters just reported that “China not rattled by age questions,” here is an archived online news report mentioning the age of He Kexin (何可欣), one of China’s famous six. The news was posted on November 3, 2007, written by Xinhua News Agency.
Translated caption: The thirteen-year-old He Kexin, from Wuhan, met opponent Yang Yilin, who is on the National Team. Amid cheers from her hometown audience, the young girl excellently executed the full set of moves in the finals, and just beat out Yang Yilin, who already had high scores. Lu Shanzhen, the General Coach of the National Gymastic team, also applauded her performance.
But according to the Reuters’ report:
He, Jiang and Yang’s eligibility for the Games had been called into question by American media.
Online records seemed to suggest the trio may have broken International Gymnastics Federation (FIG) rules that state athletes must turn 16 by the end of an Olympic year.
[...] Question: “He, can you tell us a memory from your 15th birthday please, how did you spend your 15th birthday, did you spend it at home, did you spend it with gymnasts? Can you tell us about that special day.”
Answer: “I was with my team. It was an ordinary day, I didn’t go home, usually we don’t go home when it’s our birthday, we just celebrate with our team mates.”
So the news conference went on and not once did the so-called underaged gymnasts trip up.
Just in case anyone was not satisfied by the answers, coach Lu Shanzhen added: “You may check with the IOC (International Olympics Committee) and the FIG. All our registrations are done with legal evidence. You may also search on the Internet or even check with China Public Security Ministry.”
UPDATE: While coach Lu Shanzhen was so confident about the online records of He Kexin’s age, informtion discovered by Chinese bloggers may surprise her. Here is a partial list of Chinese domestic media reports mentioning He Kexin’s age, translated by John Kennedy in the Global Voices Online:
1、《生活报》2007年11月5日报道：13岁的体操高低杠选手何可欣出色地完成了“李娅空翻”的全套动作，战胜了刚刚获得世锦赛季军的国手杨伊琳。
Life Daily, November 5, 2007: 13 year-old uneven bars athlete He Kexin spectacularly completed the entire “Li Ya Flying Flip” routine, defeating national champion Yang Yilin who herself had just taken bronze at the World Cottbus Cup.
2、《法制晚报》2008年1月22日报道：记者在平衡木训练场地上看到，13岁的小将何可欣正准备做下一组动作，突然被自己的一阵咳嗽打断……
Legal Evening Post, January 22, 2008: On the balance beams training area, the reporter saw 13 year-old newcomer He Kexin preparing her next move, suddenly disrupted by her own coughts……
…..3、《北京晚报》2007年12月12报道：张佩文口中的“秘密武器”就是最近涌现出的新星何可欣。这名13岁的小将不仅能轻松地完成“李娅空翻”，还在比赛中表现出了与年龄不相符的稳定。
Beijing Evening Post, December 12, 2007: The “secret weapon” mentioned by Zhang Peiwen is none other than the recently-appeared new star He Kexin. At just 13, this newcomer has not only completed the “Li Ya Flying Flip” with ease, but performs in competitions with unusual stability for someone her age.
4、搜狐体育 2007年12月1日报道：张佩文口中的秘密武器，原来就是最近涌现出的新星何可欣。这名13岁的小将不仅能轻松地完成“李娅空翻”，还在比赛中表现出了与年龄不相符的稳定。（值得表扬的是，现在该网页已经将“13”改成了“15”，知错就改，善莫大焉。——王小山注）
Sohu Sports, December 1, 2007: Zhang Peiwen’s secret weapon is none other than new star He Kexin. At just 13, this newcomer has not only completed the “Li Ya Flying Flip” with ease, but performs in competitions with unusual stability for someone her age. (Worth noting here is that now the “13″ has already been changed to “15″ )
5、《长江商报》2007年12月1日报道：13岁的体操高低杠选手何可欣相当漂亮地完成“李娅空翻”的全套动作，战胜刚刚获得世锦赛季军的国手杨伊琳。
Changjiang Business Post, Dec. 1, 2007: Thirteen year-old uneven bars athlete He Kexin beautifully completed the full set of moves in the “Li Ya Flying Flip” routine, defeating national champion Yang Yilin who herself had just taken bronze at the World Cottbus Cup
6、《人民日报》2007年11月3日报道：13岁的何可欣在女子体操比赛中出色地完成高低杠“李姮空翻”。2007年11月3日报道：13岁的何可欣在女子体操比赛中出色地完成高低杠“李姮空翻”。
People’s Daily, Nov. 3, 2007: Thirteen year-old He Kexin spectacularly completed the “Li Ya Flying Flip” on the girls’ uneven bars gymnastics competition.
Here is also some information originally on the www.sport.gov.cn (deleted already) from China’s National Sports Administration:
translation: List of Athletes… He Kexin, Birth date: Jan. 1, 1994.
补充公布第一批城运会交流运动员名单
信息来源：国家体育总局 录入时间：2006-3-16
第六届全国城市运动会各参加单位：
根据第六届城市运动会竞赛规程总则的要求，现补充公布第一批城运会交流运动员名单（附后）。各单位可登陆国家体育总局网站进行查看，网址：www.sport.gov.cn。
二○○六年一月二十七日
运动员交流交流协议名单
项目：体操
序号 姓 名 性别 出生年月日 原注册单位 现交流单位
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10 何可欣 女 199411 北京体育局 武汉体育局
In the speech given by Liu Peng (刘鹏), Director of China’s National Sports Administration on November 13, 2007, Liu also mentioned He Kexin’s age: 13.
Also from David Flumenbaum in the huffingtonpost.com:
EXHIBIT A: A China Daily article dated May 23, 2008 titled “Uneven-bars queen the new star in town” about He Kexin. This is the cached version (thanks Google) of the article as seen on August 4, 2008.
EXHIBIT B: The same China Daily article dated May 23, 2008 titled “Uneven-bars queen the new star in town” about He Kexin. This is the version currently available online. As you can see, when compared to EXHIBIT A, everything is identical. Except for one little thing. The state-run newspaper has changed He’s age.
Read also:
* China’s early press coverage of “secret weapon” He Kexin from China Media Project.
* In An Ancient Land, Age Is Just A Concept For Some Competitors by the Globe and Mail
* Hack the Olympics by blogger Stryde.
* International Olympic Committee Launches Probe into He Kexin’s Age by The Times
POSTED COMMENTS: 94 Responses
[...] authorities state she is of Olympic regulation age, China Digital Times‘ Xiao Qiang looks at one of several sources that put He Kexin's age at around fourteen. Posted by John Kennedy [...]
Maybe an intelligent journalist will think about getting a Wall Street Journal reporter to open his laptop at the next Olympic press conference and show coach Lu Shanzhen (and the IOC) that He Kexin Xinhua story web page.
Why do I have to come up with all of the smart ideas around here?
“Tell us a memory from your 15th birthday party” ？？？ What the 腐 kind of tofu-brained question is that?
[...] saying the gymnast was 14. UPDATE 2: Another article on He Kexin at Xina Sports news service, via China Digital Times, had her age listed as 13 in November 2007. Here is a translated view of that article on He Kexin [...]
OK, so even if she isn’t 16, doesn’t that simply confirm two things that we already know?
1) The Chinese are willing to break whatever rules they need to in order to win.
2) Chinese gymnasts, even those who are younger and less experienced, are better than American gymnasts.
Honestly, who is surprised by this?
SOURGRAPE AND CRYBABIES
[...] EXHIBIT C: A Chinese article written by state-run news agency Xinhua in 2007, and discovered China Digital Times Another Olympic Secret? How Old is He Kexin (???), Really? by the great China Digital Times China Digital Times that refers to He Kexin as 13 years old. And [...]
[...] EXHIBIT C: A Chinese article written by state-run news agency Xinhua in 2007, and discovered China Digital Times Another Olympic Secret? How Old is He Kexin (???), Really? by the great China Digital Times China Digital Times that refers to He Kexin as 13 years old. And [...]
Why cheat China, come on. Is this what we have to look forward to as your country develops into the largest economy in the world? Cheaters? You have so much going for you, stand tall and accept your place in history without petty stupid things like this to try to convince the world of your greatness. It makes you look small.
If you cannot win just don’t whine go to you momma apron and sneeze you cries babies
Or you can just dope with undetectable masking agents…DUH!
The talk in the media about this has gotten rather unsettling. What’s with all these people on TV debating young girls’ bodies? There’s an exotifying (sic?) element here, too, at times–implicit comments on Asians versus others, Asian women, etc.
What we need to do is just settle this thing objectively and move on. On the one hand, we have all the old Chinese news pieces and info from the Chinese sports administration that CDT notes put the athletes’ ages below the qualifying limit. Then, there’s the documentary that proves the opposite (at ESWN) and, of course, the girls’ passports.
Surely, there’s some way of breaking the deadlock and moving on?
Actually, I misinterpreted that ESWN post. The documentary seems to suggest that she is underage instead. So, maybe, there is much more evidence for the argument that rules were broken than that they were obeyed.
Nonetheless, I’d like this thing to just be cleared up and moved on from. The discussion is just too weird at times.
Fake Fireworks, Opening Ceremony 歌唱祖国 Voice Stealing and now three Chinese Gymnasts He Kexin, Jiang Yuyuan, and Yang Yilin age cheating!
Then there is the empty seats, which were sold out completely.
but what about the promises made by China made to the IOC?
On July 13th 2001 during the 112th IOC plenary meeting Beijing was entitled to host the Olympic Games. The Chinese authorities promised the IOC and international community concrete improvements in human rights in order to win the 2008 Olympics for Beijing.
Just how has Beijing demonstrated their concrete improvements such as:
1. The Falun Gong spiritual movement by harvesting organs of living Falun Gong practitioners?
2. Tibet and the Dalai Lama?
3. Taiwan Independence?
4. Uyghurs in Xinjiang province?
5. The repression of Journalists and the Media?
6. Censorship, filtering, blocking information on the Internet by China?
And that was after last year, fake products, lead poisoning, toothpaste, pet food, etc…
At whose expense will China’s rise come?
China is a corrupt nation with no national concern for its own people nor anybody else. The communist party (you *do* realize it’s communist totalitarian state, right?) cares only for its own perpetuation and the moneyed elite care only for their continued wealth. Corruption is rampant and there workers are poorly treated and don’t particularly care about the products that they’re producing.
[...] China Digital Times asks, How Old is [Chinese gymnast and gold medalist] He Kexin (何可欣), Really? The answer is 14 (or [...]
Shame on the chinese communists. And even more shameful are the people who remove or alter the online pages to cover up for the lying cadres. Just today, Yang Yun’s CCTV interview footage (in which the former gymnast admitted she was 14 at the time of the 2000 Olympics) was taken off Youtube…. right after yours truly posted it to Uwants. Shame on these people who try to cover up for the liers and cheaters. I am sure there is no official policy in China condoning cheating. Nobody should be covering up for the cheaters. Let them be found out, humiliated and punished.
What’s the point of winning if you cheat, because that means you didn’t really win, you didn’t win fair, and you didn’t play by the rules…
But hey, we are talking about China, right?
Since when has the CCP ever been fair, open and honest?
It’s okay to claim the work of another by stealing the voice of a 7 year old girl?
It’s okay to advertise how great your opening ceremony despite having to fake it for the other greater billions more than China watching?
It’s okay to have the government change your age, just to prove how much better you are too?
Sounds like a bully, needing to prove themselves when real hero’s need not bother.
Shame on China’s Communist Party for this deception! Shame on China’s Communist Party for keeping it’s own Chinese citizens away from the Olympic Games in China too…
It is any wonder why China is a nation divided and filled with confrontation: It is divided between a coastal China and a landlocked one; it is divided between an urban China and a rural one; and it is divided between a China for the rich and one for the poor?
President Hu, urged the people to live by the Ba Rong, Ba Chi (Eight Honors and Eight Disgraces): “Love the country, do it no harm. Serve the people, never betray them. Follow science, discard superstition. Be diligent, not indolent. Be united, make no gains at another’s expense. Be honest, do not sacrifice ethics for profit. Be disciplined and law-abiding, not chaotic and lawless. Live plainly, work hard, do not wallow in luxuries and pleasures.”
Evidently, the Communist Party in China doesn’t include lying, cheating and bamboozling others…
Just like He Kexin, these Chinese individuals will be forced for the rest of their lives to lie now, in order to save FACE to the Communist Party!
Nobody in their families will be free to speak the truth. How is that just and fair?
Is this what it means to be showing the world how “Great” China while under the Communist Party is about?
In China you get these weird laws where “slander of the state” and “revealing state secrets” put people in jail for expressing dissent.
How can He Kexin tell the truth? Especially, when the CCP criminal actions would be made public? That’s why nothing will be done here.
The Communist Party see the 2008 Olympics as a golden opportunity to promote their party ideology nature.
Many Chinese people believe that criticizing the CCP is criticizing China itself, an act of treason punishable by a fate worse than death itself. In this way values that elevated human refinement and independent thought were replaced by blind obedience to a culture of Party servitude.
The Communist Party counts on rapid economic growth as the main source of its legitimacy.
He Kexin is just another Chinese individual sacrificed for the Party’s ideology.
She deserves better than this, but unless we boycott China, making the CCP respect our values, there’s little hope, actually no hope at all, that the Communist Party will ever adapt any of our so called western values.
The Chinese communist leadership lives with this constant fear of an implosion like the one that happened in the Soviet Union and its satellite regimes. It would like to believe that by concentrating on rapid economic growth it has won legitimacy of sorts and hence might have some immunity against the Soviet-type infection.
Red China, Inc. it’s Politburo is the all-powerful board of directors.
Does it matter if we present China to the West the way the Party leadership must like us to present China, providing narrow answers to our self-censored research questions and offering a sanitized picture of China’s political system?
At what point, and through what channels, will the Party leadership with its different views of human rights and the citizens’ rights affect our choices of political organization and political freedoms in the West?
What else will China do to claim Olympic gold? Meaning, I’m sure this isn’t the only story here, especially in regards to the shenanigans of the CCP using young adults (14?) He Kexin.
And who still thinks the Olympic Games in China is just a sporting event?
He Kexin isn’t the only individual told by the CCP to do their bidding. Foreign tourists also have been “reminded” about the special laws in the forbidden city as well.
Beijing has followed a dictum laid down by the late Deng Xiaoping, “taoguang yanghui,” literally to hide its ambitions and disguise its claws.
It’s important to understand that China and America have common interests; but the CCP’s interests are contrary to the benefit of America.
He Kexin, Jiang Yuyuan, Yang Yilin, Lin Miaoke and Yang Peiyi are just more examples of the barbaric nature of the CCP.
Ever since the CCP seized power in 1949, it has continually looted the private property of the Chinese people; moreover, it has deprived the Chinese people of freedom, turning a billion plus of the Chinese people into slaves who own nothing.
The Tiananmen Square Massacre has been the most meaningful event for the Western world to clearly recognize the barbaric nature of the CCP.
The western world can still remember this tragic event as the regime opened fire on its own people, but what the West may not realize is that the CCP has killed over 80 million Chinese people throughout its horrifying rule during peace time.
The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don’t do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
I just read an article about condom distribution in Olympic host cities and that there were 100,000 condoms supplied to the three Olympic Villages in Beijing, Qingdao, and Hong Kong.
I also researched another tidbit of information at INTERPOL’s website and found out that the legal age of consent for sexual activity in China is 16.
What would happen if a male 18 year old British gymnast, Daniel Keatings for example, got caught in the act at the Olympic Village with a consenting He Kexin? The ensuing heated exchange between INTERPOL and the IOC would become the second most watched video on YouTube! (The first of course being cell phone footage of the two gymnast’s hotel room tumbling exercises)
Regarding He Kexin in the Olympic Games.
The truth is in that the Olympic Games and the Olympic Opening Ceremony betrays our Chinese Culture!
That’s because first and foremost, the core of our Chinese culture is not the display of power. It is a system of moral principles.Which was NOT what was displayed in the Olympic Games Opening Ceremony, but the communist idea of authoritarian rulership. For instance,tThe high-tech opening drum sequence was intended to overpower the viewer. Just as He Kexin was used for the CCP’s own benefit of interest in winning without honor. Just as Yang Peiyi beautiful voice was stolen by the CCP ideology to deceive others for their own benefit.
All this shows is how the CCP works, that is to only amplify their own power. If China were to rise by means of such an image, that would not be the rise of the Chinese people, but the rise of the Chinese Communist Party, which controls the masses. It would be not much different than North Korea, never in harmony with it’s own people.
You should be asking yourself, what does the Olympic Games to be about? Will you think like U.S. Bush and state, “I’m going to the Olympic Games in Beijing, because I view this as a sporting event” in which about 100 heads of state came to the games, which has nothing to do with politics?
Many of us Chinese, actually more than 300 million, the size of the whole United States of America’s population, go without clean drinking water. While the CCP spends about 50 billion dollars here in Beijing for the sake of the sporting event. Call it what you want, but this isn’t our China, it all belongs to the Communist Party in China is all.
While we focus on He Kexin, let’s not forget how the CCP pressured Eutelsat’s termination of New Tang Dynasty Television service for financial gains (1 billion dollars)with the Chinese Communist Party in China.
He Kexin will most certainly need to keep face as long as the CCP remains in power. But, the termination of the only free and available transmission into China, in the Chinese languages, has a lot more harm than just a young girl need of pretending for the Communist Party face.
One is to cover up, while the other is to censor 1.3 billion minds by CCP only propaganda.
When does the CCP allow itself to be exposed? NEVER…
So will He Kexin ever be free to tell the truth? Never…
Just as Lin Miaoke will NEVER be allowed to tell the truth…
Just as Yang Peiyi will NEVER be allowed to claim her voice either…
The list goes on and on here. This only happens because of the Communist Party nature…
Unfortunately, nineteen years after a brutal crackdown against student protesters at Beijing’s Tiananmen Square, China’s youth are more focused on iPods, designer jeans and buying their first car than political reform.
Most of all they are worried about getting well paid jobs and a share of the new found wealth.
So, why would the Corrupt Communist Party officials change, from being criminals into honorable citizens serving the public?
I say you all dissident with dim witted and half baked understanding of Democracy and twisted understanding Chinese culture STAY WHERE YOU ARE ENJOY YOU LIFE IN WEST. You have nothing to offer China.Your only value added and credibility is your Ethnicity Shame on YOU
You are all completely discredit and lost any influence in China The young completely ignored you So you not even footnote in History So just get on with you life
He Kexin will NOT be the only one or even the last individual used by the Communist Party in China. That’s for sure!
Let’s also NOT forget all the chaos caused by foreign invasion didn’t appear until 100 years ago, within China’s long history of several thousand years.
In other words, most of the time the suffering of the Chinese has had nothing to do with either democracy or foreign forces.
The fact that individuals like James above can post CCP rhetoric, only shows the huge difference between an open society that tolerates opinions whereas in China anything critical of the Communist regime isn’t!
The right to inform about illegal behavior is a right that belongs to every citizen in China, a right accorded by the Chinese Constitution.
However, China’s Constitution isn’t practiced until it favors the Communist Party in China all behind closed doors.
China is a country with forbidden knowledge where the CCP manipulates the ignorance of it’s people.
According to the Beijing municipal government’s standards, the minimum monthly wage for an employee is 545 yuan and social security for a jobless resident is 419 yuan a month.
That about 72 dollars a month…
Sure, everyone wants to live in China, working 17 hours a day, 7 days a week, while living in closets, eating left overs… Have you been to China recently?
The real China, not your fancy hotels, not your TV films, I’m talking about the 1 billion Chinese who are poor…
Do you realize for every one He Kexin, there are millions more who never will get the chance or to amount to something more, thanks to the Communist Party in China.
Xu Kangang recommended that the Committee members of the Unites States Congressional-Executive Commission on China to read the book “Nine Commentaries on the Communist party” to fully understand the Communist Partyˇs history of deception and persecution.
The “Nine Commentaries on the Communist party” tells the honest truth about the hidden agenda behind the Communist Party ideology, for those that want to be informed.
China’s suppression of freedom of information, rights which are still denied to so many: freedom of expression, information, and belief. The Chinese Communist regime refuses to tolerate the free flow of information to and from the citizens of China, and will spare no effort as before to block this flow as long as it can.
Is it any wonder as to why the Communist Party in China is willing to cheat to get it’s way?
Shame on China for faking fireworks, for deceiving the audience using the voice of another, and for lying about the ages of it’s own people in order to just cheat.
That’s a shame, for all of China being reflected by the Communist Party in China upon to the people of China.
We can only feel sad for He Kexin, knowing how she is but a pond in the hand of the Chinese Communist Party.
Anyone who wants to make money in China has to surrender to the political power of the Chinese Communist Party. Investing in China may be profitable, but when problems arise, you have no recourse.
I don’t see He Kexin as a dissident artist, I see the Chinese Communist Party as a dissident government.
China’s leaders will not achieve their long-term goal of social stability and continued economic development without building a future that includes human rights for all Chinese citizens.
Illegal arrests, forced labor camps, brainwashing centers, organ harvesting, torture, murder, forced abortions, child labor, no freedom of press, internet blockades, widespread corruption and nepotism. This is Beijing 2007.
Now comes 2008, and again all the above plus broken promises…
“It was confirmed to the Commission that there will be no restrictions on media reporting and movement of journalists up to and including the Olympic Games.” - Report of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) Evaluation Commission for the
Games of the XXIX Olympiad in 2008 (2001)
“I think we will give the media complete freedom to report when they come to China.” -Wang Wei, Secretary General of the Beijing Olympic Games Bid Committee (2001)
So why should we think He Kexin is to blame, when in FACT, we should be taking a more serious look at the Communist Party behind these actions!
She just a child, but the Communist Party is totally ruthless…
The victories are prompting a huge celebration in China, where the Olympics have enormous political value. Across the country, patriotic sentiment overflows. Thousands of raucous fans, chanting for China, raise a deafening noise in the Olympic stadiums. Flag-waving headband-wearing young people gather around televisions in restaurants and bars to cheer on their heroes.
Now that Olympic succeded beyond expectation You guys has nothing to pick on other than scrap bone Go on enjoy your meal LOL
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080816.OLYMPICCHINA16/TPStory/TPInternational/Asia/
“Whenever the gold-medal list is updated, I feel that it is constantly strengthening China’s stature in the world,” said a Chinese blogger named Yang Xiuli.
“Look how strong our homeland is now. Look at how much progress has been made in 20 years by the country that was once called the sick man of Asia. I deeply feel the pride of being a Chinese. Every day we are excited, weeping together with the athletes when they win medals.”
He Kexin’s old passport had a “typo” that made her younger, so now she is using a new passport. Only, the old passport was issued many years ago, so why does it take such a long time to change, that is until right before the Olympic Games, right?
So He Kexin never noticed the mistake in her passport before, for many years?
So nobody checks their own personal documents, until your in the Olympic Games in Beijing now?
What is the big deal people even if she is 14 years old. So what a young child can perform a tad better athletics in gymnastics. The other competitors need to rise above that. What if this were boxing instead of gymnastics, the other competitors wouldnt have complained.
Move on to something more important in life than complain about this. dumb westerners
Not only does the CCP adopt double standards, many Chinese people have been trained to embrace a similar ideology when expressing their patriotism.
For instance, some Chinese have as though safeguarding the nation’s sovereignty and territorial integrity was their supreme mission, completely disregarded the facts that a group of Chinese people have never expressed any rejection to Mao Zedong’s handing over Mongolia (1.5 million square kilometers in size) and Jiang Zemin’s giving the northern frontier to Russia (1 million square kilometers in size). All this is totally ignored by the “angry Chinese” who seem to have a form of selective amnesia.
The Communist Party is against the real Chinese people who just need to stand up for what’s right. Actually, for their rights, for human rights, for the hope and dreams that China will NOT be ruled by corrupt leaders pretending to be everything they are NOT!
STOP CHEATING CCP!
[...] you can see, when compared to EXHIBIT A, everything is identical. Except for one little thing. The state-run newspaper has changed He’s age.” [...]
Thanks for pointing out our dumbness, Chinese Calvin. So what if the dumb western IOC and dumb western International Gymnastics Federation say gymnasts must be at least 16 in order to compete? The dumb westerners need to rise above that and raise the ages of their 14 year old gymnasts in order to compete with Calvin’s China.
Move on to something more important in life? Sure, Calvin! Take your pick:
1. Tofu school construction in Sichuan
2. Child labor in Shanxi brick kilns
3. Cancer villages and pollution
4. AIDS villages and corruption
You can whine all you want it doesn’t change an iota the fact that the game is complete success and All of you sour grape and looser suck your thumb!.
As globe and Mail said The game will herald A stronger and more prosperous China and every Chinese are proud of it You guys just can’t stand it So go jump the lake Idiot
Please, James!
The games ARE a great success and, you are right, there is no point in picking on China continuously instead of recognizing its well-deserved progress at least to the same extent.
Still, it does not justify the level of abuse that Chinese bloggers heap on “Westerners”.
May I quote a Zhou Xiaozheng, a sociologist at People’s University in Beijing?
“This just shows that Chinese people have lived too long in a world with unbalanced information. After listening too long to only one side of the story, we have developed zero tolerance for a difference of opinion. In this mindset, you are either on our side or you deserve to be stepped on forever.”
After all, China once was a sophisticated civilization and it rightfully aspires to return to its place in history…
A Complete Success says James…
China’s Nation Sports System employs a vast amount of the country’s human and financial resources to train a small number of top athletes. The result is rapid athletic improvement in a short period with a focused goal of winning medals. While the system has proved effective, it leaves many casualties. Take for example, the significant portion of Chinese still live in poverty. While these people eke out a meager existence, an endless amount of the nation’s financial resources are poured into this sports system. No expense is spared in China’s lust for Olympic glory.
That’s in addition to the 420 billion RMB spent on the development for hosting the Olympic Games in Beijing, which the Communist Party in China continues to NOT provide even clean drinking water for 600 million Chinese.
By all means, lie, cheat and proclaim success. Just remember, in ten years from now, when China’s environment is beyond it’s ability to support 1.3 billion Chinese, when it’s economy cannot be sustained and when chaos sweeps RED China, keep in mind all that success your talking about.
Reform will lead to a situation where the only way for people to complain is through a merciless revolt out of desperation and need by then.
And stop using your fake name of James, as we all know your with the CCP propaganda department. FREE people don’t fall for your Communist heretic rhetoric!
If your willing give up control to someone else, you have no right to complain when something bad happens (and something will).
According to China Sports Newspaper, 80 percent of the nation’s athletes lack education and have no way of supporting themselves once their training days are over.
Former national weightlifting champion Zou Chunlan from Jilin Province has won seven gold medals and even broke a world record. However, she had only received three years of elementary education. After her retirement from the sport in 1993, Zou worked at a bathhouse but she can barely support herself. Even worse, Zou suffers from injuries all over her body and her muscles lack elasticity, so she can no longer lift weights. Right after she joined the Jilin Sport Team at 16, she was told to use male hormones to increase her performance. She was given this pill nearly everyday for 6 years. Her body developed male characteristics and she could not conceive children. Zou says that many retired athletes have similar experiences.
On the bright side:
August 1, 1936, the games of the XI Olympiad open in Berlin, a stunning spectacle demonstrating to the world the superiority of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.
July 29, 1948, the games of the XIV Olympiad open in London. The Nazis are gone.
July 19, 1980, the games of the XXII Olympiad open in Moscow, a stunning spectacle demonstrating to the world the glory of the Soviet Communist Party.
July 25, 1992, the games of the XXV Olympiad open in Barcelona. There is no Soviet Union.
February 8, 1984, the XIV Olympic Winter Games open in Sarajevo, a stunning spectacle demonstrating to the world the strengths of Yugoslavia’s independent Communism.
February 12, 1994, the XVII Olympic Winter Games open in Lillehammer, and Serbia and Montenegro are pretending there is still a Yugoslavia.
August 8, 2008, the games of the XXIX Olympiad open in Beijing, a stunning spectacle demonstrating to the world the magnificence of Chinese Communism.
Summer, 2020, the games of the XXXII Olympiad will open somewhere. So far, no totalitarian host regime has lasted another three Olympiads (12 years). The question is, will China still be one country, or 57? So many eyes looking in at China right now, so many eyes looking out from China right now. You know that government has sealed its own doom.
Wu Yanyan, who set the world record for the 2,000-meter Individual Medley , failed a drug test and was not allowed to attend the Sydney Olympic Games.
Cheating and scandals had become so widespread in 2005 during the 10th National Games, that it prompted China’s athletic community to purge its biggest offenders.
In the 1994 Asian Games in Hiroshima, eleven Chinese athletes were found using drugs, including the world swim champions, Li Bin and Yang Aihua, who were stripped of their medals.
Is this what James means as complete success?
Don’t bother to quote what his name Zhou I’m not even born in China. So I got the news about China just like everybody else Western press.
But at least Chinese know what is propaganda. Does westerner know when they see or read one?
James has a point.
Western media are generally also biased, whether liberal, conservative or leftist.
In that sense, except for some books on mathematics or physics, the information that we absorb and the way we absorb it, IS biased! This applies to China as well as “the West” (ignoring for the moment that there are countries in the East like India which also have free media).
What I regret is the extent to which people get agitated before applying some individual critical thought on what they read and how they react to it. Yes, it is a confusing world out there with a lot of conflicting information, so let us rise to the challenge and learn together instead of thrashing each other…
Zou Chunlan’s case:
I think it’s a progress that China’s website is reporting her case and proper measures are taken to address those issues:
http://www.china.org.cn/english/sports/165927.htm
to Dave:
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August 8, 2008, the games of the XXIX Olympiad open in Beijing, a stunning spectacle demonstrating to the world the magnificence of Chinese Communism”
1. No where can you find that the Beijing Olympiad is supposed to demonstrate the magnificence of Chinese Communism. I challenge you to show us a single source where Communism and Olympiad are mentioned in the same article. If you can’t, please stop spreading false information.
2. China will not collapse. Communist party may change name in the future, because Communism is dead already; it’s only a legacy that has served a purpose.
By the way, Communism is not Chinese invention, it comes from the West.
Anybody who says China is still a communism country need to get out of their cave and see the world using their own eyes.
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Should He Kexin (age 14 now) hold the weight of responsibility for the nation?
Is it any wonder why the CCP’s beloved Olympic Champion Li Ning was so much abused from training, that when it came time to compete he was already injury beyond any ability. Thus, Li Ning the famous Chinese athletic just walked out on 08-08-18 in front of everyone to see during the Olympic Games…
How many more victims will the CCP sacrifice for it’s glory?
1. The standard for gymnastics in Fujian province is at the bottom of our nation.
2. There are 100,000 people being trained for gymnastics in China, 200 of whom are “elite” athletes. That’s 0.2 percent.
3. Even if China wins 10 gold medals at the Olympics, this accounts for only 0.01 percent of our gymnasts!
A general’s reputation is built upon the sacrifices of tens of thousands of soldiers.
“80 percent of the nation’s athletes lack education and have no way of supporting themselves once their training days are over.”
He Kexin, if you fall again from the uneven bars, I say don’t go back there—go home, and lean by the side of your mom, dad, grandpa, grandma and the teachers at school.
李希林 Li Xilin
To Mr. Li,
You need to get your facts straight! Who forced those people to train hard and compete? Is it the CCP? Has CCP forced anybody to be an athlete? I can tell you No. When I grew up in China, it’s an honor to be in a Sports team. You have to work hard to get in. CCP has done a lot that is bad. But by incriminating CCP on everything, you lost credibility. That’s why people won’t listen to people like you. You obviously have an ax to grind. You definitely are spreading false information and images about CCP on this issue. What you said gave people the impression that CCP is holding a gun to every athlete’s head and forcing them to work hard and compete. It’s absolutely a lie!
I agree that Chinese Sports training system needs overhaul and people start to train smarter by introducing experts from the US and Australia. But the flaw in the system has nothing to do with CCP. It has everything to do with the backwardness of the Sports training system in China.
People like you give CCP the excuse to prosecute people who have legitimate reasons to complain. Please, do Chinese people a favor and stop lying. Or if you are not intentionally lying, learn to view things in perspective and do your homework before making a big fool of yourself.
“How many more victims will the CCP sacrifice for it’s glory?
1. The standard for gymnastics in Fujian province is at the bottom of our nation.
2. There are 100,000 people being trained for gymnastics in China, 200 of whom are “elite” athletes. That’s 0.2 percent.
3. Even if China wins 10 gold medals at the Olympics, this accounts for only 0.01 percent of our gymnasts!”
This argument is utterly stupid!!!
What’s wrong with 100,000 people are trained as gymnastics and 200 of them are “elite” athletes. China put so many people into gymnastics because China has a shot at the medals. I bet that it will not produce as many medals even if China put 1,000,000 people into track and field. So what’s wrong with spending limited resources on things they can do well? People are doing this kind of calculation all the time. China has the advantage of 1.3B people and use it. What that has to do with it’s CCP or other party? You need to snap out of it!
To Tang:
Would you rather I had just said “authoritarian” or “totalitarian” instead? Okay.
No, nowhere do the words communist and Olympics appear together. They didn’t use any similar phraseology in Moscow or Sarajevo either, nor to my knowledge did Hitler call them the “Nazi Olympics.” The point is still that no totalitarian regime has survived hosting the games.
As to the collapse of China, the question I pose asks if, when the communist party is ousted, China will survive as a single nation. I’m sure Tibet, for instance, will have something they want to say about remaining a part of China. Taipei will no doubt have their hand in there. With the number of ethnicities living within the PRC, there is the possibility of fragmentation.
And I’ve known ever since I visited the Soviet Union (I spent a summer in Poland) (no, Poland was NOT an independent nation while under Soviet rule) that the biggest capitalists in the world are communists. China would not be an exception.
To Dave,
First of all, let’s define uthoritarianism
According to Wikipedia, Authoritarianism describes a form of government characterized by an emphasis on the authority of the state in a republic or union.
Authoritarian political systems may be weakened through “inadequate performance to demands of the people.”[1] Vestal writes that the tendency to respond to challenges to authoritarianism through tighter control instead of adaptation is a significant weakness, and that this overly rigid approach fails to “adapt to changes or to accommodate growing demands on the part of the populace or even groups within the system.”[1] Because the legitimacy of the state is dependent on performance, authoritarian states that fail to adapt may collapse.[1]
This is the definition the West uses. But China has hundreds of years of authoritarian rule, the opening up is as recent as 1973 and things are constantly improving. So the government is adapting to the change, abeit at a pace slower than what the West has hoped. But it’s definitely moving forward. Moving fast, a country like China will collapse like former Soviet Union. China and Chinese culture is not agressive like the Germany and German culture.
Doomsayers in the West has predicted the demise of CCP for many many years, but there is no sign that doom will come down any time soon. Instead, the 2008 Pew Global Attitudes survey in China finds that more than eight-in-ten Chinese are satisfied with their country’s overall direction and their national economy, a significant increase in contentment from earlier in the decade. CCP will not collapse; it could change to adapt to the ever-changing environment; for example, CCP started to accept membership from once renegated private business owners and entrepreneurs. If that’s what you meant by collapsing, then it’s neither Catastrophic nor devasdating to the Chinese nation. Chinese are very practical people, just as Deng Xiaoping said it’s a good cat that catches rat, be it white or black.
Regarding Tibet or Taiwan, any government will do the same no matter it’s democratic or authoritarian. Geogia is a case in point. Geogia has so-called orange revolution, but it still treat its break-away region with brutal force. But this time, they miscalculated and got a black eye.
Please remember all the countries you cited that have doomed are Western countries. Western philosophy doesn’t apply to the East, which has its own cycle of rise and fall.
I strongly recommend you to read Daniel Burstein’s “The Future of China: What it means for business, the economy, and the global order”.
http://www.amazon.com/BIG-DRAGON-FUTURE-BUSINESS-ECONOMY/dp/068480316X
Chinese parents push very hard for their children to work extremely hard. Chen Fei’s parents rejected her cry to go back home when she was very little and couldn’t stand the harsh training regiment. While Chinese training system is doing their part to bring up a generation of great athletes, the parents of those athletes are the other side of the equation. Athletes are not forced by the government to train hard. They can walk out of it if they choose to. There is no punishment if you just quit because you don’t feel you are up to it. That’s the experience I had in China. If someone has concrete evidence, please provide your verifiable source. Otherwise, stop denigrating Chinese government and Chinese athletes. If you want to know why those parents push their kids so hard, even to the extent of destruction? Well, you know how Chinese parents expect of their kids and in many cases, those kids are from poor families and Sports are the only way out of poverty. It’s just like any other country. The difference from the West is that the Western countries have a more systematic and scientific training regiment. But China is catching up on that. About the education level of those athletes. First, Chinese has a saying that goes like this, “good man doesn’t join the military”. Many athletes have no interest in excellence in education just as many college football players have no interest in academic works in the US. Many training schools in China do provide decent education for the children. I am clarifying all these to get the facts straight. Those Chinese who are spreading false information in this forum should be ashamed of yourselves. I am no fan of the CCP, but we have to call a spade a spade. If you are trying to represent the emerging force of democracy in China, you make many of us totally disappointed. And I think that’s also the reason why the self-designated democracy has a long way to go to better the CCP. Your conduct gains yourself no support, no respect from the Chinese people. Get smarter than the CCP, or perish.
Yup Gordon Chang predict in 2001 “China will collapsed in 5 years because of irresponsible lending to a politicaly connected company, High Non performing loan blah, bblah And those westerner sucker buy his book by million Trumpeted by western media as the proof that China will collapsed
Reality check China recapitalized the bank and privatized(SELL IT TO PUBLIC) The IPO was oversubscribed Then The full Boom happened in China the bank flush with cash lend the money to public with high interest rate Right now the bank is brimming with cash well
I should say overlfow. Now Guess who is hat in the hand begging for goverment rescue. Non other than the paragon of capitalistic virtue Freddie mac and Fanny mae. Because of irresponsible lending for unqualified mortgage holder and securitized it(duped) while the So August SEC sleeping. Well there goes the myth of western superiority and the wet dream of China collapsed!
And guess who borrow zillion of dollars so that they can squandered it by invading Irak. And who is the lender that lend those zillion Yes the same evil commie CHINA
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Just a note, it was Liu Xiang not Li Ning who walked out from the first round of the men’s 110m hurdles at the ‘Bird’s Nest’ National Stadium during the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games.
And what’s wrong with abusing Chinese for political propaganda, well…
“80 percent of the nation’s athletes lack education and have no way of supporting themselves once their training days are over.”
That should be enough for anyone to understand, unless you just do care about those sacrificed by the Communist Party in China.
He Kexin has been found to be underaged, and everyone should be asking why this happen, not that He Kexin won anything, but why did the Communist Party lie and cheat to win?
The answer is simple, the Communist Party will NOT play fair, will NOT play by the rules and most definitely only concerns itself with it’s own propaganda to deceive everyone about how this regime is China’s authority. When in fact, the 1.3 billion Chinese had NEVER wanted, had NEVER voted the Communist Party as their appointed or elected leaders.
Why else has the Communist Party enrichen itself, at the cost of the people?
Because, the Communist Party is corrupt, has been and continues to be just that!
The Chinese people will never be FREE as long as the evil Communist Party in China rules.
Both Yang Yilin and He Kexin, are only 14 years old.
That’s according to the Communist Party official registration documents!
China’s communist regime has issued passports to the girls with fake birth dates, allowing them to compete illegally.
Source: en.epochtimes.com/n2/china/hacker-finds-proof-chinese-gold-winners-are-underage-3089.html
Just when will people wake up and realize the Communist Party regime in China is against harmony, against nature and against everyone NOT in their evil cult gang?
If the Communist Party was honorable, they would be no need for betrayal, for deception, for cheating, for faking, for lying and censoring, blocking and removing the truth.
Get the word out, boycott the Communist Party in China, until the Chinese people replace this evil regime with a moral honorable real government that is for the people, working to help others…
These were the actual real official government documents showing He Kexin and Yang Yilin true ages which were not 15 years old as claimed by the fake regime.
http://www.sport.gov.cn/files/jts/reg2006/zctc.xls
and
http://www.sport.gov.cn/files/jts/qyzcydy/zctc.xls
Which the government has now removed this true evidence.
Why is the government covering up the truth? Deleting it’s own records, issuing passports with fake birth records?
Because, the Communist Party in China in it’s quest for glory, is willing to cheat, lie and fake evidence just to win gold medals.
The Chinese people shouldn’t allow this regime to spoil China.
Replace the Communist Party regime, with real honorable leaders who don’t abuse girls, who allow faking national honor with fake singing, fake ages, fake fireworks for show.
China is losing face more and more all the time. It was bad enough to discover fake products, copies of products, then came lead paint poisoning on toys for children, poison toothpaste while all the time Chinese labors were harmed making these cheap labor products.
Everyone would be happier without the Communist Party in China, which is only concern about it’s holding on to authority over you!
Just Say NO to the evil regime, the Communist Party in China, which has the worse records of insuring social harmony, with the deaths of about 80 million Chinese all during it’s peace time. Wow, that speaks for itself doesn’t it?
The Great Leap Forward…
The Culture Revolution…
The Economic Development…
All bad for China, still with the evil regime…
Photos of the official registration documents:
Yang Yilin
en.epochtimes.com/n2/images/stories/large/2008/08/20/Yang_Yilin_birthdate_2.jpg
He Kexin
en.epochtimes.com/n2/images/stories/large/2008/08/20/He_Kexin_birthdate.jpg
And why would anyone with a passport issued to them, wait many years later to correct their so called or claimed wrong age?
Just as the government removes all prior evidence, issuing new replacement documents…
I’m sure there are other relatives who know the truth, that are afraid to come forward, to let the truth be known because of the government.
What else is this government faking?
How much more harm will this government cause the Chinese people ahead to remain in authority?
I would feel shamed if I were He Kexin, knowing my Chinese government couldn’t wait for me to enter the Olympic Games when I was of age, so my gold medal would NOT be taken back for having cheated.
He Kexin needed only to play by the rules, and in London, 4 years later she would be ready, fair and honest to win correctly.
It seems for many of the Chinese Olympic contenders they only feel relief for having won a gold medal for China. Otherwise, the Communist Party would lose face and become angry. And for Liu Xiang who just walked out, right in front of everyone in the People’s National Stadium before the world, was his way of being realised. Which obviously, loses face for the Communist Party.
Had Liu Xiang just trip or fall, he could have been carried out, or even have crawled to the finish line, saving face by not becoming a quiter, loser for giving up. Instead, everyone would have applauded for him, for his effort, for his willingness to try. Just walking out was his way to say to the world, I had enough of this, being pressred by the Communist Party.
The injuries weren’t the only thing burdening Liu. He is the only competitive athlete in China’s track and field team so he has been under constant pressure, including from the high hopes of government officials.
Liu’s coach Sun Haiping said, “Leaders told us that, if Liu Xiang could not win the gold medal in Beijing, all of his achievements before will be meaningless.”
And what do Chinese Oylmpic gold medal winners get for having won the glory for the Communist Party? They are discarded to be replaced with another. Why even become a Chinese Olympic contender? Just for the glory of the CCP?
As of August 18, there have been reports that Lenovo featuring Liu Xiang had been referring to Liu’s world record which he won in Switzerland 2006 that says “Refresh the Dream, 12.88 seconds,” have been cancelled.
Remember, Liu’s coach Sun Haiping said, “Leaders told us that, if Liu Xiang could not win the gold medal in Beijing, all of his achievements before will be meaningless.”
Liu Xiang was “the only competitive athlete in China’s track and field team, so he has been under constant pressure, including from the high hopes of government officials”.
Which just establishes how our Communist party in China was pressuring Liu Xiang into winning another gold Medal for national interest, despite knowing Liu Xiang was injured.
What will happen to He Kexin or Yang Yilin when their medals are taken away because of the Communist regime faking their birth certificates?
Should the Chinese people sacrifice another disgrace from our political party for corruption?
What does it mean to win a gold medal when we cheat, fake and deceive others for it?
Just how should foreigners regard our actions by having our own corrupt government dishonor the very rules that we promised to host the Olympic Games?
Has China become a culture of dishonesty, cheaters and lairs?
Or isn’t it time to restore the moral leadership that the Communist regime stole from us the people of China?
When the Olympics were awarded to Beijing, some had hopes the Games would bring with them an opening up of Chinese society.
And yet, China’s 90,000 seat National Stadium, also known as the “Bird’s Nest,” was running at over 90 percent capacity for the 110 meter hurdles preliminary heat. When Liu Xiang had to withdraw from the race, more than 60 percent of that audience left immediately!
China is for China only.
But wait, now are posters popping up in Beijing by Beijing’s National Security Bureau called, “Notice to Citizens and Organizations on Reporting Deeds that Endanger the Security of China.”
Photo here:
en.epochtimes.com/n2/images/stories/large/2008/08/20/Donts_poster_200808161332china3.jpg
It’s demanding that the Chinese to SPY on each other! These stipulations also cover foreigners, which can be only read in the Mandarin Chinese language!
This provides more evidence how the Communist Party in China operates, fakes, lies, cheats, deceives and doesn’t care about morals, fairness and justice.
He Kexin should accept her gold medal. She knows she isn’t 15 years old, despite the government cover up. Think how this sends the wrong message to all other Chinese children, thinking it’s okay to cheat. Soon, everyone would learn cheating is okay, and then nobody would trust anyone, knowing everyone in China accepts cheating.
Why should the Olympic Games allow cheaters? Wasn’t it bad enough the Communist regime didn’t honor their promises?
Oops, I meant He Kexin should NOT accept her gold medal.
The latest reports proving that He Kexin is 14 and the Chinese government is very busy deleting incriminating information from the Internet:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10021343-83.html?hhTest=1
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080820-evidence-of-age-fraud-mounts-china-insists-gymnasts-are-16.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/olympics/2008/writers/em_swift/08/20/underage.opinion/?eref=sircrc
“What does it matter if He Kexin is 14?” Here’s what matters: there’s a rule on the books that says she legally has to be born in 1992. Breaking that rule is called cheating.
It isn’t fair that certain countries get to go around the rules and others don’t.
Nastia Liukin was ready for the Olympics in 2004. She was too young, and the USA did not send her. Canada has Peng Peng Lee and Charlotte Mackie, who could have challenged for medals this year. They were too young, so they did not go to Beijing. And so on. Either you let all the 14 year olds in or you keep them all out.
And regardless of what the FIG says, they KNOW this goes on. There’s been at least one gymnast confirmed to have competed with a false passport and DOB in EVERY SINGLE OLYMPICS and World Championships from 1981 to 2000. Every single one. There have been other Chinese gymnasts with confirmed faked ages, such as Yang Yun. How can the Chinese fake passports? Same way the Soviets, North Koreans and Romanians did.
For what it’s worth, I don’t blame He Kexin for this debacle. She’s a little girl. This is about the adults who KNOW they are doing the wrong thing.
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To everyone who says that it we should be impressed that she is so young and does so good is obviously ignorent because younger girls are more flexible and can do better. First do some research so you dont sound like an idoit
Unfortunately, according to the latest study that everybody cheats. Does Chinese cheat more than anyone else, probably not. Rules are there for people to break. As long as they win by their performance not by doping. It’s not that bad.
It’s amazing why people are so stupid to think that Chinese athletes will sacrifice themselves for the glory of whatever party. They do it for themselves or forced by their parents, people!
You people are either too stupid to understand human nature or harbor evil intentions.
Yang Yun confesses on television about her age falsified for the Olympics competition!
“China has a rich history of age falsification in Olympics competition, especially in gymnastics. At the 2000 Sydney Olympics, three years after the minimum age was raised to 16 in gymnastics, Chinese gymnast Yang Yun competed and won a bronze medal in the uneven bars (coincidentally this event is also He’s specialty). Yang’s passport said she was born on December 24, 1984 and turning 16 in the year of the Games, making her eligible. She later confessed in a television interview that she was only 14 at the time of the competition and that she and her coaches had lied about her age.”
Credit goes to: David Flumenbaum
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-flumenbaum/scandal-of-the-ages-docum_b_118842.html
Just when Landor’s Ray Allen, who is living in China, discovered a phony building and wrote about his experience on his blog, noting that the “building” is actually “a computer illustration, printed on vinyl film, glued to panels and attached on the unfinished concrete skeleton of an eight-story building.”
His Blog here:
adage.com/olympics2008/post?article_id=130326
and here:
en.epochtimes.com/n2/china/beijing-fake-buildings-3128.html
Obviously, China is trying to get away with faking on a huge big scale!
North Korea was also barred from the 1993 world championships after FIG officials discovered that Kim Gwang Suk, the gold medalist on uneven bars in 1991, was listed as 15 for three years in a row.
Actually, tang, everybody doesn’t cheat when it comes to the age rule, sorry. Age falsification has typically come from countries where there isn’t an easy paper trail to follow. If the USSR said their girls were 15, could anyone really go to the Kremlin, pull the birth certificates and check? Is anyone going to head down to Pyongyang City Hall and check on Kim Gwang Suk’s real age? Or course not. If France, South Africa or Australia tried to pull the same trick, there would be too much of a paper trail to get away with it. China has been getting away with it because the records, up until now, have not been readily accessible to the outside world.
Yes, it is that bad. And it would be that bad no matter which country was doing it. Nobody’s saying these girls aren’t excellent gymnasts, but they shouldn’t have to cheat to be there. They need to either take away the age limit or actually enforce it. And they need to actually punish countries and strip medals from those who violate the rules, instead of giving them a slap on the wrist.
“Obviously, China is trying to get away with faking on a huge big scale!”
I am not at all surprised with that statement considering Anna cited from EpochTimes.
EpochTimes is a mouthpiece of Falun Gong. It spins everything into hopeless shit. If you 100% believe what they said, then Chinese should just get out of that country and become refuge of the world. I am not saying what they said are 100% false. It’s just that they view everything from an extremely negative angle. Well, if a person views everything in the world in a negative angle, he/she will become either a sociopath or suicidal.
It’s a pity that Chinese Olympic team used under-aged gymnasts, otherwise, it’s a great success. The government should punish those who tainted this event.
Cheating is the dark side of human nature. People cheat to get ahead all the time. But comparing doping with age-falsification, I would forgive age-falsification, that is, slap on the wrist. Under-age has its advantage as well as disadvantage regarding performance. It’s a blemish on China’s achievement; but it is by no means the source of China’s success in this Olympic Games.
FIG needs to find a way to enforce the age rule or just drop it.
[...] EXHIBIT C: A Chinese article written by state-run news agency Xinhua in 2007, and discovered China Digital Times Another Olympic Secret? How Old is He Kexin (???), Really? by the great China Digital Times China Digital Times that refers to He Kexin as 13 years old. And [...]
I have a solution to the problem. The U.S should take the troops out of iraq, and send them to communist China. one nuke and BAM problem solved. Citizens of china are so far lost thanks to their government, turning china into a desert and starting new seems ideal. i will vote yes to blowing the shit out of China anyday. No more communist hitler government = better world
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No proof Ch1na is cheating IOC So you China basher shut OFF your mouth
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hi4rzBxgMTM92A9p57rUG_iBvQXAD92N6E0G0
BEIJING (AP) — Despite persistent questions about the ages of several members of the Chinese women’s gymnastics team that won the gold medal, the International Olympic Committee said Friday there is still no proof anyone cheated and believes the controversy will be “put to rest.”
There is so much evidence, even from the Communist Party’s own Official Documents, stating He Kexin was born in 1994.
Chinese gymnast Yang Yun competed and won a bronze medal in the uneven bars (coincidentally this event is also He’s specialty).
Yang’s passport said she was born on December 24, 1984 and turning 16 in the year of the Games, making her eligible. She later confessed in a television interview that she was only 14 at the time of the competition and that she and her coaches had lied about her age.”
We already have proof of the Chinese Communist Party faking Olympic athletes from before…
China will never be FREE while under the evil Communist Party in China. This fake regime only hold power with it’s lies, deception and threats of violence.
Nobody, not even Chinese in Taiwan want to be a part of the mainland’s failures of the CCP.
It’s time to strip away the gold medal for cheating… it’s time to send a clear message to the CCP that we don’t honor cheaters!
Why is everyone treating this as if the Americans are some how showing poor sportsmanship and “whining” because the American team lost? This issue was presented before the games even began by USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/2008-08-03-1619905621_x.htm
A country that has a history of this offense (2000 Olympics) should be vetted more thoroughly; and the poor timing of the investigation lays squarely on the shoulders of the IOC who should have done all this before the games began.
after getting the documents, IOC have confirmed that they are over 16!!
now what more can you ask for??
you people believe what you see on the internet is real? and not believe what is written on a birth certificate? haha..
losers!!
we need your appologies!
How do you confirm fake documents with a fake regime that issues fake documents?
Chinese gymnast Yang Yun competed and won a bronze medal in the uneven bars (coincidentally this event is also He’s specialty).
Yang’s passport said she was born on December 24, 1984 and turning 16 in the year of the Games, making her eligible. She later confessed in a television interview that she was only 14 at the time of the competition and that she and her coaches had lied about her age.”
We already have proof of the Chinese Communist Party faking Olympic athletes from before…
But, the fake regime had claimed before He kexin was born in 1994, just as their CCTV and their Media, their family, parents, friends and even He Kexin. That was until the CCP decided to change her documents.
He Kexin isn’t 16, she was born in 1994, and pretending to issue new fake documents, doesn’t change the facts from before, as the CCP has been deleting them, removing them, taking back her old Passport as well.
I will never trust the Communist Party in China. which has already been establish they falsify documents to get their way.
Fake birth certificates, fake passports is nothing new when it comes to the CCP.
Anyone backing them, is a loser for that. Because they support cheaters!
Don’t award Cheaters!
Take back He Kexin’s gold medal, for cheating!
NADIA COMENICI WON HER GOLD MEDALS AT AGE 14 RULE ARE MADE AND CHANGE TO SERVE THE INTEREST OF US SO WHAT IS THE BID DEAL TONYA HARDING REMEMBER ANYONE
As-salaamu Alaikum!
May the almighty, strike you down CCP!
This will NOT go away…
Shame on China… and for those supporting cheaters!
Just Say NO to the CCP!
He Kexin and all her relatives, parents, friends and family members all know, she was born in 1994.
That is until the evil corrupt regime in China wanted her to be 16 years old for their propaganda of having to win a gold medal to fake their glorious appearance of being in power.
This isn’t honorable, and goes against the Qur’an. Sin is sin, cheating is cheating. When will the Chinese people stand up AGAINST their evil corrupt Communist Party?
As‑Salaamu ‘Alaykum
السلام عليكم - المملكة العربية السعودية
Just announced! Chinese Women stripped of all medals! Presented with Gummi Bears and Hello Kitty Dolls instead!
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If the only thing that makes you strong is the gold medal table then you are pretty pathetic. Only weak countries need to tally gold medals to vindicate their supposed strength. Most people here just need to get on with their lives - they have no time for the Olympics, maybe they can see something on TV if they are lucky, after work. They have not been to see the events, no time, nor could they care. If they did it was to try and get some tickets cheap to resell them rather less cheap.
James you also shoot yourself in the leg - if age 14 = no big deal then you know you are lying. It is a big deal as rules were put in place to protect young girls from the effects of the physical stress on their not yet mature bodies. Your weeping gold medal oh so proud Chinese people are weeping for people whose lives are nothing but what they achieve for the glory of others, 1 can achieve but thousands of others are left by the wayside, injured, distorted or disillusioned.
Sports in China is not (I should say no longer) about bettering yourself, staying fit or young, challenges are not about testing your limits or engaging in team events and bonding, but purely about being no1.
No1 what? He Kexin is now no1 what? No1 loser, forever condemned to live as two years older than she is, having to hide her identity, pretend? For the rest of her life, for the sake of an olympic medal? Are you going to go out there and help her in her misery, her and all the others who suffer from the Soviet system they endure, because they are Heroes of the Nation?
The true Heroes are those who built the stadiums, the subways, the facilities, paid as little as possible, working 6 days/week, (or more). And what happened to them? They get told a few days before the start that they smell and need to go back home to watch on the telly. No work, no money. Can you imagine the pride and joy these people could have felt in their hearts if they had been allowed to see the Games, to see the results of their labour at first hand? For me these were the real shame of the Games, empty seats and the real heroes (You know, Workers, remember them in your Communist ideals?), not even there to sit in them.
At least the first part is over, now we can see how well the disabled facilities hold up, I suggest the athletes try going ‘walkabout’ in say Guijie or along Xiaoyun Lu or Dianmen Xi at rush hour in the evening to see how well the city and its inhabitants were designed for them. (don’t event think South or West BJ)
James you also shoot yourself in the leg - if age 14 = no big deal then you know you are lying. It is a big deal as rules were put in place to protect young girls from the effects of the physical stress on their not yet mature bodies. Your weeping gold medal oh so proud Chinese people are weeping for people whose lives are nothing but what they achieve for the glory of others, 1 can achieve but thousands of others are left by the wayside, injured, distorted or disillusioned.
Well British divers was allowed to compete even when he is stil 14 years Does Diving required less physical training then Gymnastic? Answer me
The rule use to be 14 years in gymnastic
but changed on the insistence of US If the reason is to protect young child body It doesn’t prevent children younger than 14 to train as future Gymnast ? Go to any Gymnast boot camp and you will see children sometime as young as 10 train as gymnast. So wher is the protection here?
Tang & James,
You are both brave persons to stand up against a howling mob that shows no mercy against China.
We Chinese would never press home and keep up the attacks like that, even if the other nation/party has committed a fraud.
Did we ever calumny and demonize USA relentlessly when it became common knowledge that their whole WMD and TERRORISM ‘evidences’ were just fakes ??
No. we are more considerate to the feelings of others and less self-righteous and pushy than
these ‘righteous’
westerners.
How much mercy can you expect from these racists demons frothing in their mouths, out to sink their teeth on our jugular veins, out for our blood?
Just for a small thing like age falsification can draw such a baying herd of hounds with bloodshot eyes howling for the kill.
What more to say if we made a bigger mistake.
I have never seen such shameless hypocrisy like this.
They feel such ‘honest and moral’ outrage over age falsification of one Chinese gymnast, but cannot feel any shame at all over THEIR FALSIFICATION of more important papers/documents which leads to war, bombing, destruction, killing,torture, and projecting the blame on muslims to cover their invasions to loot oil reserves.
The evidence presented before the War Committee and even the UN regarding Saddam’s hoard of WMDs was faked, doctored, photostopped and ’sexed-up’.
The supposed document to show the link between Al Qaeda and Iraq is now shown to be a fake.
The list of names of supposed Arab extremist hijackers of the plane that crashed into one of the twin towers in 9/11 is now regarded as a big fake - because some of the supposed hijackers have been seen still alive and kicking in the Middle East. Look this up in YouTube.
The 9/11 itself is the biggest fake and con job in the world, an inside job by certain influential quarters in the government..
The despicable Iran-Contra scandal saw the shredding of most of the incriminating documents before Oliver North was grilled before a special Commitee and later found guilty of double dealing of the highest order - dealing with USA’s enemy Iran ( selling them advanced weapons)and giving the money to a rightist terrorist group, the Contras in Nicaragua, which specialised in brutal massacres of peasants and villagers.
The Gulf of Tonkin Declaration was one big fat fake to justify US’s barbarous bombing of North Vietnam’s cities, infrastructure and civilian areas.
Google that and you will see that the supposed attack by North Vietnamese torpeodo boats was faked by the US military. There was no attack by any N. Vietnamese gunboat, but an official declaration ofN.Vietnam’s ‘treacherous attack’was falsely made to serve as a justification for the brutal bombing campaign of N. Vietnam.
When a rumour started to leak out that US Military in the Korean War had carried out massacres of innocent Korean refugees, Newsweek or Times magazine put out an article saying that the veterans concerned in the NO GUN RI incident could not remember the incident and questioned if it ever happened at all.
Then, bingo, BBC got hold of the incriminating documents which proved that the US Military gave explicit orders to US soldiers to shoot all refugees, old women and children included.
Google BBC World History for No Gun Ri incident, which was just one of the countless massacres committed by US and allied South Korean troops on Korean refugees.
On the British side, fakeries exist too.
During the Falklands War, the Ministry of Defense said in official reports that the argentinian Battle Cruiser ” General Belgrano’ was within the British declared maritime exclusive zone when she was sunk by a British submarine’s torpeodo.
Later, Clive Pontin, an official in the Ministry leaked that the British gov’t was telling a LIE. He had access to documents that the cruiser “General Belgrano’ was sailing OUTSIDE AND AWAY FROM the British Exclusion Zone.
The British gov’t charged Clive under the Official Secrets Act, but he won the case.
LIES, LIES,LIES, FAKES, FAKES, all FAKERIES by the west.
Now please go to Yahoo to search for this morning’s news (28/29 Aug 2008)about THE 2000 OLYMPICS IN SYDNEY.
It says that THE MUSIC PLAYED BY THE SYDNEY SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA WAS FAKED!! FAKED !! FAKED !!
It says that Sydney Symphony Orchestra was actually miming/faking a pre-recorded piece of music, some of which was played by Melbourne Symphony Orchestra BEFORE the opening ceremony.
SO MUCH FOR YOUR WESTERN HONESTY AND INTEGRITY.
And the fireworks of your Salt Lake City Olympics were FAKED !!!
Call China’s Olympics a Genocide Olympics ?
Wasn’t the Australian 2000 Olympics also a Genocide Olympics , considering the fact that so many aborigines have been killed, and their children forcibly torn from their parents, forming the LOST GENERATION ??
And the fact too that the Aussie gov’t had never apologized to the aborigines ( not even during the Olympics ) until last year when Rudd took over the reins of the gov’t.
And wasn’t the 1984 Los angeles Olympics in USA also a GENOCIDE OLYMPICS , considering the fact that the white Americans had massacred so many millions of Red Indians, leaving only a pitiful remnant in the arid and harsh reservations,decimated slowly by despair, alcoholism and suicides, the same fate which the australian aborigines find themselves in.
If not PHYSICAL GENOCIDE ( which really happened), these two countries are definitely guilty of GENOCIDE BY DESPAIR AND REMOVAL OF THE DIGNITY OF THE NATIVE PEOPLES.
Gosh, the hypocrisy of some of the Congresswomen and -men, who were seen shedding ( we call them CROCODILE TEARS )tears when the Dalai Lama spout so-called human rights abuses in China in the Congress.( See YouTube )
The hypocrisy is so laughable and sickening.
They can shed tears for someone far away from USA, BUT CANNOT EVEN SHED A TEAR OR EVEN FEEL A TWINGE OF REMORSE FOR THE MILLIONS OF RED INDIANS KILLED IN THEIR OWN BACKYARD AND THOSE STILL DESPAIRING IN THE RESERVATIONS.
A spectator will shout at them, “” CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME !!! LOOK AT YOUR OWN BACKYARD AND SEE HOW MANY RED INDIANS ARE STILL LANGUISHING AND LOSING THEIR DIGNITY AND EVEN THE WILL TO LIVE, WHILE YOU ARE ENGAGED IN A SOAP OPERA OF CRYING FOR AND TRYING TO SAVE A MYTHICAL SHANGRI-LA 7 TO 8,000 MILES AWAY.
INSTEAD OF THE DALAI, THE ONES THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSING AND TRAIPSING THE CONGRESS AND MOVING YOU TO SHED TEARS ARE THE RED INDIAN CHIEFS, MILLIONS OF WHOSE ANCESTORS WERE SYSTEMATICALLY KILLED BY YOU.
AT LEAST YOU OUGHT TO HAVE SOME PITY FOR THE REMAINING ONES.
NO, NONE AT ALL. NO COMPENSATION, NO APOLOGY ( FOR 200 YEARS ALREADY ). JUST A SILENT CONSPIRACY AMONG YOU SO HUMAN-RIGHTS CONSCIOUS AND DEMOCRATIC AMERICANS TO LET THEM DIE OFF SLOWLY AND QUIETLY.
CONSPIRACY TO CHEAT ? YES , YOU ARE guilty.
All of you are silent regarding the fate of the genocided natives , hoping they will fade away.
Instead you shout at others’ perceived ethnic persecution to draw attention away permanently from your ugly genocide sore.
Restitution ?? Amends ?? Compensation ?? NEVER !!
Would you ever give the Lakota Plains Indians the lands they want to form an autonomous state ? NEVER !! NEVER !!!
Your media, printed and electronic, all conspire in this silence to deny their existence and problem.
The first thing we learn in any MEDIA COURSE at any Western University is this : ” Don’t expect to find any media treatment - let alone fair treatment- of the Red Indian problem in the States.” You will be hard put to find any substantial info on the Red Indian problem, all our lecturers advised us.
Who is faking about the existence of the native peoples ??
WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT WE ARE PERFECT BUT THAT one should not just jump in malicious glee over the mistake of the Chinese when everyone else is doing it, especially the loudest accusers.
And they do worse fakes which involves the taking of millions of others’ lives , wars, conflicts over oil, silencing of their own peoples ( Patriotism Act, Homeland security related legislation ) etc…
One post says 11 Chinese swimmers were caught using drugs in Hiroshima.
As if only the Chinese do that, others are perfect saints.
Let me ask them :
WHO WERE THE ORIGINAL INVENTORS OF THESE METHODS OF CHEATING - especially anabolic steroids and EPO ??
WAS IT NOT THE WEST ??
Where did we learn this ( drug-cheating) from ??
FROM THE WEST, WHICH WAS ALREADY LEAGUES AHEAD OF US IN THIS AREA when we started to join the Olympics.
Are the following drug -cheaters Chinese ??
1. Marion Jones and ex-hubby Hunter.
( Both were guilty of drug-cheating to get medals in Olympics. )
Were they taught by Chinese ?
And their coach was also ound guilty of distributing steroids and drugs to many other athletes.
2. Ben Johnson
( The Canadian sprinter who was caught twice using drugs to enhance performance.)
Did the Chinese teach him that ?
3.LE TOUR DE FRANCE
Oh la la, mamma mia, Mon Dieu, Dios mio !!!!
How many Europeans in this Cycling Tour have been caught using drugs to cheat !! We have LOST COUNT already.
It’s certainly nothing to be proud of.
4. How many westerners have been caught this time ( 2008 Beijing ) using drugs to cheat ?
MANY. MANY have been stripped of their titles and asked to go home.
Chinese - how many ?
Only 2 or 3 and they had been weeded out even before the Games.
Why do the Chinese need to cheat ?
Because of the merciless pilloring that your media and politicians subject China to, the relentless China Threat hype, the daily condemnation of human rights abuses, the China-bashing during the Olympic Torch run…
It’s the natural reaction of ANYONE in such a situation to feel desperate to show the best image possible or else the vilture media of the West will swoop on and blow up any weakness that they might find in China.
In these circumstances, China falls into the trap or vicious cycle of resorting to manipulations to present its best foot forward to the merciless scrutiny of a Western press out to have a field day to show the superiority of its values.
In trying to better its image, China gets caught and earns more ridicule, laughter and ridicule - just what the envious West was looking for: an opportunity to catch us making a mistake.
Learn a lesson from this, China.
STOP STAGING INTERNATIONAL EVENTS. DON’T EVER HOPE TO GAIN RECOGNITION FROM THE WEST BY STAGING SUCCESSFUL EVENTS - THEY WILL FIND INNUMERABLE WAYS TO TRIP YOU.
AND THEY WILL NEVER ACCEPT YOU AS THEIR EQUAL ! TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT, MAINLAND CHINESE.
SO CEASE YOUR FUTILE STRIVINGS TO GAIN APPROVAL FROM THE WEST.THEY WILL FIND EVERY THING WRONG WITH YOU, EVEN TRIVIAL THINGS THEY WILL BLOW IT UP.
THEY ARE OUT JUST TO HURT YOU, GET IT QUITE CLEAR.
CHUCK OFF THE PARALYMPICS ( COMING SEPTEMBER ) TOO. THEY WILL USE THIS AS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO BASH, SHAME AND HUMILIATE YOU.
SETTLE DOWN TO HARD WORK, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY.
DON’T WASTE YOUR MONEY ANY MORE.
THE 50 BILLION STERLING POUNDS SPENT ON THE OLYMPICS SHOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER SPENT ON A STRONG DEFENSE CAPABILITY. ONLY THIS WILL GAIN THE RESPECT OF THE OTHERS, NOT YOUR PROWESS IN SPORTS OR THE ARTS, NOT FINE CULTURE OR YOUR LANGUAGE, NOT EVEN ECONOMIC PROSPERITY.
IT’S YOUR SUPERIOR DEFENSE TECHNOLOGY THAT WILL GAIN THE RESPECT OF OTHERS, REMEMBER THIS.
WHY DOES THE WORLD HAVE A FEARFUL RESPECT OF USA ??
NOT BECAUSE OF HER SO-CALLED “DEMOCRACY” WHICH SAW THE INVASIONS OF IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN, THE BRUTAKISATION OF HER ARMED FORCES AND THE INCREASING DICTATORSHIP IN THE HOMELAND WHICH WILL SOON CULMINATE IN AUSCHWITZ-LIKE CONCENTRATION CAMPS ( FEMA CAMPS) FOR HER OWN CITIZENS.
THEY FEAR HER FEARSOME WEAPONS, NOT RESPECT HER HIGH-FALUTIN’ HUMAN RIGHTS. LOOK AT HOW EU AND USA TREAT RUSSIA WITH KID GLOVES REGARDING RUSSIA’S ENTRY INTO SOUTH OSSETIA AND ABKHAZIA TO PROTECT RUSSIAN PEOPLE THERE.THEY WILL NOT DARE TO PUSH THINGS TOO FAR WITH RUSSIA BECAUSE THEY FEAR THE HUGE ARSENAL OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS RUSSIA POSSESSSES - BOTH USA AND RUSSIA HAVE ABOUT 12,000 NUCLEAR MISSILES.
AND THEY NEVER DARE TO BASH RUSSIA OVER HER SUPPRESSION OF THE CHECHEN REBELS IN CHECHNYA. Not so with China. They will do everything to stir up trouble for China over Tibet or even Xinjiang.
IF THE WEST EVER STIRS UP THE XINJIANG MUSLIM JIHADISTS, WE MUST IMMEDIATELY SUPPORT THE TALIBAN AND ALL RADICAL MUSLIM JIHADISTS.
WHAT HAVE YOU CHINA GOT ? JUST OVER 200 NUCLEAR MISSILES AND ONLY A FEW DOZENS CAN REACH THE USA, PROVIDED YOU CAN GET YOUR SUBMARINES CLOSE ENOUGH TO USA.
SO PLEASE SETTLE DOWN TO MANUFACTURE URGENTLY MORE NUCLEAR MISSILES, AND SMART ONES AT THAT, COS THEY HAVE THE ANTI-BALLISTIC MISSILE SYSTEMS TO DEFEAT YOUR NUCLEAR DETERRENCE.
THE OVERRIDING IMPORTANCE OF A COUNTRY’S DEFENCE CAPABILITY WAS TAUGHT TO ME BY A GROUP OF BRITISH SOLDIERS WHILE I WAS TAKING A NIGHT TRAIN FROM SCOTLAND TO LONDON.
AT FIRST THE SOLDIERS DID NOT WANT TO SIT WITH US CHINESE ( TWO OF US ).
i HEARD THEM SAY CLEARLY TO THEMSELVES, WITHIN OUR EARSHOT,” I AM NOT GOING TO SIT WITH THE CHINESE BASTARDS “. THEY WENT THROUGH THE LENGTH AND BREADTH OF THE TRAIN BUT COULD NOT FIND A SEAT AND EVENTUALLY CAME BREEZING INTO OUR COMPARTMENT.
AFTER A SHORT CONVERSATION WITH THE ” CHINESE BASTARDS “, THEY BEGAN TO TOUCH ON THE LATEST ( IN 1982) NUCLEAR MISSILE TEST BY THE CHINESE OF A NEW TYPE OF MISSILE WHICH COULD REACH THE PACIFIC ISLANDS, MEANING IT COULD REACH USA TOO.
WHEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, THE BRITISH SOLDIERS REMARKED THAT FROM THEN ON, BRITAIN SHOULD HAVE A HEALTHIER RESPECT OF CHINA.
GOT THAT, MAINLAND CHINESE ??
A POWERFUL MISSILE CAPABILITY CAN CHANGE CHINESE BASTARDS OVERNIGHT INTO A RESPECTED RACE. THINK OF IT. NOT HOW MANY MEDALS YOU WON IN THE OLYMPICS.
DO NOT WASTE YOUR HARD-EARNED MONEY AND TIME NOW ON SHOW GLITTER TO IMPRESS THE WEST TO HAVE A BETTER OPINION OF YOU.
THEY HAVE ALREADY STEREOTYPED YOU AS INCORRIGIBLY EVIL AND BEYOND REDEMPTION, SO LET’S SETTLE DOWN TO WORK SERIOUSLY TO STRENGTHEN OUR NATION AND OUR DEFENSE TECHNOLOGY AND CAPABILITY.
There’s one post here by johndoe which expresses aptly and succinctly the ‘final solution’ attitude the West harbours towards China.
He proposes nuking China because we are irredeemable evil people. He makes no bones about wiping the Chinese off the face of the earth.
He is the only honest devil and his proposal to nuke China reveals the true ulterior motive of the bloodhound critics in this forum, baring their fangs at the Chinese and screaming LIES, LIES, SHAME, SHAME, etc…. .
All this professed ‘moral outrage’ over China’s fakeries in the Olympics is but a camouflage for a more sinister grand strategy -ie. to build up steadily the demonization and hatred of all things Chinese to a crescendo, so that at the peak/crest of this ballooning hate-wave, everyone in this world will agree to have China nuked, without batting an eyelid, because they will have been brainwashed to feel strongly that the Chinese are all evil beyond remedy, as johndoe aptly reveals, unable to contain his hatred of everything Chinese.
Chinese, inform Hu Jin Tao or Wen Jia Bao that we are in a dangerous time now. They are just waiting for us to make the slightest mistake to give them the excuse to nuke