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• Life Without Google

  

  Neha Sahay in The Telegraph (Calcutta) writes about Chinese netizen reactions to Google’s threat to leave China:

  Indeed, Google’s threat has angered most of China’s 384 million netizens, perhaps predictably. Over the last two years, any posturing by a foreign country, specially a Western country, has seen a surge of belligerent nationalism — be it the violence in Lhasa in March 2008, the attacks on the Olympic torch in Paris and London the same year, or Google’s threat now. An online survey showed that 70 per cent netizens felt that their government should not make any concession for Google.

  Don’t they want the freedom to explore the internet unhindered by China’s Great Firewall? Apparently not. Partly the answer lies in Google’s limited reach: only 31 per cent of Chinese use Google, with almost 64 per cent using Baidu, China’s own search engine. This despite Google having developed many Chinese-friendly features such as translations, a Chinese-Pinyin (Chinese in Roman script) input system, local train information and legal music downloads.

  Netizens angry at Google have pointed out that it is too closely linked with the government of the United States of America. In the official media, Google’s threat is seen as hollow. “Leaving? Google is pouting,’’ said one People’s Daily columnist. This despite proof of the seriousness of its intent being shown — hitherto banned topics such as the Tiananmen Square massacre were available on Google the morning after its announcement. As if on cue, a statement appeared on the information office website, warning about pornography and rumours, and talking about the government and internet media’s responsibility to “guide public opinion’’…Columnists writing in newspapers known for their boldness, have expressed regret that the exit of Google will deprive Chinese search engines of competition. However, the most poignant comments have come from well-known dissident bloggers. “Google, I await your return when there is freedom,’’ writes Ai Weiwei, an eccentric, irreverent blogger. Journalist Zhang Wen, a proponent of democracy, writes sombrely, “Google finally can no longer stomach the increasingly tightening reins, and must abandon their original position of compromise. I feel this is civilization fighting back against savagery, this is freedom fighting back against autocracy….’’ Zhang goes on to say that the gleeful expressions of “good riddance’’ from netizens are short-sighted; they do not understand that without being able to use the most advanced search engines, they will return to the Stone Age of the internet. On Twitter, an anonymous post points out that with the three most popular websites —YouTube, Google and Facebook blocked in China, this was “not an issue of Google abandoning China, but one of China abandoning the world.”

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  • January 21, 2010 10:43 AM

• Chinese Human Rights Activists Claim their Google Emails Were Hacked

  

  From the Telegraph:

  The activists, who include one of China’s foremost artists and a Tibetan student in the United States, came forward after Google announced it had suffered a “highly sophisticated” cyber attack in December, whose goal was to gain access to its email service, Gmail… Ai Weiwei, who is best known in the West for having helped design the Bird’s Nest Olympic stadium in Beijing, said that two of his Google email accounts had been hacked by “unknown visitors” who read and copied his emails.

  Mr Ai, who is also a vociferous activist, said he had no proof that the Chinese government had been behind the hacking attempt.

  Teng Biao, a law professor at the University of Political Science and Law in Beijing and a human rights lawyer, said his emails had been hacked into in 2007. “Many of my friends told me they received entrapment emails from the email address I was using at the time: against.teng@gmail.com,” he wrote on his blog… Zeng Jinyan, an activist and the wife of Hu Jia, a jailed dissident, also said that her email had been hacked. Tenzin Seldon, a 20-year-old student in the US whose parents are Tibetan exiles said that Google had called her in to check her computer and confirmed it had been hacked.

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  • January 16, 2010 11:12 AM

• BBC Outlook: Interview with Ai Weiwei

  

  The BBC program Outlook has posted an interview with Ai Weiwei about his work collecting names of students killed in the Sichuan earthquake, his art, and his father, poet Ai Qing. You can listen to it here on the Outlook site.

  Read more about Ai Weiwei and The Numbers project he is spearheading, via CDT.

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  • January 12, 2010 9:37 PM

• Ai Weiwei, the New Model for Intellectuals

  

  ChinaGeeks has translated an article from Nanfeng Chuang giving an overview of Ai Weiwei’s activities over 2009:

  After the Wenchuan earthquake, he rounded up volunteers and continually developed his Earthquake Student Names Citizen’s Investigation, and posted his results on the first anniversary of the earthquake, leading to widespread public discussion on the ethics of death and human dignity in the wake of a major disaster. In Ai Weiwei’s opinion, aside from earthquakes, everyday tragedies are more common [than major disasters], and what’s worse is that as soon as the sun comes up [on another day] there is nothing [no evidence/memorial], but life has value, and each life must be treasured even if the person has already died. Not identifying the dead is actually disrespecting life itself, and is in opposition to our social values.

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  • January 7, 2010 1:04 PM

• Chinese Cyber-Activists Lend Support to Democracy Activists in Iran

  

  From Voice of America:

  But a violent demonstration in late December in Tehran involving thousands of Iranian protesters was enough to prompt Chinese activists to register the Internet domain name “CN4Iran-dot-org” (CN4IRAN.org) – or China for Iran.
  
  The Web site’s slogan is “We are watching you, we are supporting you. Go, our great Iranian friends, go!” A picture on the site shows a clenched fist against a red and green background… Prominent artist Ai Weiwei is one Chinese who has been closely following developments in Iran. He says he was especially busy on-line in the early morning hours of December 28, as the clashes were occurring in Tehran.
  
  Ai says he was constantly typing that night and sent countless tweets. He says he thinks the Iranians must have found it so strange, and wondered who is Ai Weiwei?… The organizer for CN4Iran says, in his words, “anyone would be afraid of getting in trouble” with Chinese authorities. But he says he thinks what activists like him do is “not hypersensitive” or illegal. He points out that authorities have their own language and ways of communicating, while, ordinary people have their own.

  See also this past CDT post on the China for Iran twitter campaign and the Chinese government’s objection to sanctions on Iran.

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  • January 7, 2010 8:14 AM

• Melissa Chan: China’s Netizens Pressure Beijing

  

  Al Jazeera English reports on efforts by Ai Weiwei and other activists utilizing the Internet to make change:

  In a country where media outlets are entirely state-controlled, growing numbers of Chinese people are going online to join a growing army of citizen journalists.

  But China’s so-called “netizens” face a crack down at the hands of the authorities who see their internet activities as dangerous dissent.

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  • January 2, 2010 9:31 AM

• Ai Weiwei (艾未未) on Citizenship and Freedom

  

  The 1984 BBS is a private online forum that has over 7000 registered members in China. Ai Weiwei, who had just returned to his Beijing home from an international trip few days earlier, was a special guest for a one hour online chat with members of the forum from 8 to 9 pm, December 17, 2009. CDT has translated excerpts of the Q & A; the full text (in Chinese) is here.

  Songshinan (Chat host): You were just named by 《Southern Wind》 magazine as the 2009 Man of Public Interest. You deserve it.

  In 2009, you and your team found at least 5000 names of children who died during the Sichaun earthquake. Your action warmed thousands of families, moved inumerous conscientious Chinese and made them feel angry and inspired, and also cornered the stupid Sichuan government.

  In your own unique way, you have challenged the authoritarian windmill, used courage to press the cowardice of the authorities, used playfulness to highlight the authorities’ stupidity, used persistence to reveal the authorities’ crudeness, used your action to prove authorities’ falseness.

  In my heart, you are more than the man of 2009; you are the largest Grass-Mud Horse in China this year.

  Questions from forum members:

  fatherofmissingfish: Hi Old Ai. 2009 was a hard year.  There was Huang Qi, then Tan Zuoren [inprisoned]. The government repression of rights defenders has been extremely harsh. What do you think about the future of the human rights movement?

  Ai Weiwei: The government is protecting their power; citizens are defending their rights. No matter how hard defending rights is, this is the only way.

  ririxishou：Hi teacher Ai. [In Chinese, "teacher" is a term of respect] I want to ask one question.  Which dimension of change do you think is most important for today’s China: Is it immediate demands for freedom? Or raising citizen consciousness first, then talking about freedom?

  Ai Weiwei: For the question of freedom, there is no bargain, no strategy. You are either free or not free.

  Kaidijianeng: Teacher Ai, please share your thoughts on “freedom” and “citizenship” in today’s society. What are your expectations for government and for citizens?

  Ai Weiwei: Today the government’s wisdom is to play dead; citizen’s wisdom is to kick [the government's] ass, regardless if it’s playing dead or really dead.

  vahine: Grandpa Ai [In Chinese, "grandpa" is an informal term of high respect], is there any space to compromise between us and authorities? Is there still a possibility of constructive interaction?

  Ai Weiwei: I think we have a 100% bastard government, but only less then 5% of citizens demand democracy, equality and justice. So there is a lot of space.

  jencoxu: Do you still have any hope for China? Do you think the next round of reforms will be top down or bottom up?

  Ai Weiwei: I never had any hope for China. I am only resisting the hopelessness China is imposing on me.

  Zhangyang: Dearest Grandpa Ai, my question is: What factors in Chinese culture are preventing the establishment of civil society? How can we address that?

  Ai Weiwei: We always talk about Chinese culture this and Chinese culture that.  As a matter of fact, Chinese culture has no damn business here. Forget about Chinese culture; this is the shortcut to civil society.

  wtdd: How big is the possibility of organizing an opposition party, for example through Twitter?

  Ai Weiwei: The order should be, organizing people on Twitter first, then organizing a party.

  zyl1989：Are you ready for prison? Or put it this way, the government has not yet put you into a prison cell. Is it because they do not think you are threatening enough?

  Ai Weiwei: I don’t think so. It is because the prison cell is not big enough.

  pigselbow: In an intervew about the 1980s generation,  Chen Danqing [an artist] commented that you are a lefty artist. What do you think about his comment?

  Ai Weiwei: Left or right, that’s a scholar’s business. As a citizen, there is only one position: Grass-Mud Horse.

  louy0427: Master Ai, I salute you and pay my respect here.  I want to ask what kind of strength sustains you on the current road? After all, your fame and influence can open any country’s door for you. Please tell us, when more and more elites emigrate to foreign countries because they are disappointed in the ruling powerful of this land, why have you chosen a road full of danger and unknowns? After all, you are facing a ruthless government which has a powerful propaganda apparatus and violent force! Thank you!

  Ai Weiwei: If I give up the country I am in, then I have lost my reason to choose any other country. If I denied my current road, there is no other road in front of me.

  li198558: Please Mr. Ai tell us why you investigate the names of students who died in the earthquake? Tell us the truth!

  Ai Weiwei: I don’t believe the parents of these kids did not name them.

  Ricebowl: Facing such a bastard society, is Teacher Ai ever depressed? How can you keep full of energy?

  Ai Weiwei: Mixing bastardness with depression you will for sure be full of energy, this is a secret recipe from our ancestors.

  runnakedisanotherkindofbeauty: Teacher Ai, if you had 10,000 soldiers, would you rebel?

  Ai Weiwei: I would command all of them to run naked.

  Openthemouth: Please let us know your thoughts. In the current situation, the government’s political propaganda and influence has reached every cell of society, and [the government] purposely weakens citizen education. How can we effectively raise the consciousness of citizens? Facing the powerful propaganda machine, how can we maximize the voices of dissent?

  Ai Weiwei: In the lengthy life time, you just need to express yourself simultaneously with others one time, and the world will be changed.

  maoxihua: For the group who demands democracy, equality and justice but makes up less then 5% of the population, what should these people do?

  Ai Weiwei: Reach 6% ASAP.

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  • December 20, 2009 12:09 AM

• Chinese Artist Ai Weiwei Transforms the Mies van der Rohe Pavilion

  

  From Artdaily.org:

  As of December 10 the Mies van der Rohe Pavilion will be the object of an intervention that reflects on the use of buildings and our concept of them as unique, unalterable spaces. The artist Ai Weiwei, one of the leading – and most controversial – figures of Chinese contemporary art, will fill the Pavilion pools with two elements that, though very common in our everyday lives, are totally foreign to architectural construction. He will replace the water of the two pools, one exterior and the other interior, with milk and coffee, respectively.

  In the words of the artist himself, ‘my intervention explores the metabolism of a living machine (…). In fact, the building is not static: the content of the two pools is replaced all the time, unnoticed to visitors’. Indeed, it seems that the Mies van der Rohe Pavilion is permanently still, but this is not the case, and Ai Weiwei proffers a reflection on this apparent stillness: ‘Upkeeping the condition of milk and coffee is the same as preserving a body, a demanding effort against light, air, warmth…’. In total, the two pools will be filled with 65 tons of milk and 15 tons of coffee, which will be kept in the open air.

  This intervention forms part of a series of installations that a number of plastic artists and architects from all over the world have created and will create for the emblematic Mies van der Rohe building. Essentially short-lived, they propose new ways to perceive the architecture of the Pavilion. The programme of installations is a kind of activity that is unique in the city and based on the exceptional spaces of the Pavilion. Those who have created installations for the Pavilion include Antoni Muntadas; Jeff Wall; Dennis Adams; the architects Enric Miralles and Benedetta Tagliabue; and the SANAA team formed by Japanese architects Kazuyo Sejima and Ryue Nishizawa.

  See also past posts on Ai Weiwei.

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  • December 11, 2009 8:32 PM

• Ai Weiwei Opens a Series of “Conversations” with a Discussion About His Art, Activism, and Twittering

  

  Art Observed reports on Ai Weiwei’s interview with Philip Tinari at Art Basel Miami Beach:

  Weiwei’s blog on the Chinese website Sina.com, on which he published the names of the children killed in Sichuan, was shut down by the Chinese government in May 2008 and so his online communication with the outside world have become limited to twitter on which he claims to spend anything from 6 -16 hours per day – that morning he had woken-up at 4am to begin ‘twittering.’ This year he famously posted self-portraits of himself while in hospital in Munich, he noted during his Conversation that he twitters absolutely everything – so much so that he jokingly suggested people ought to stop considering him as an artist because, “really I’m just twittering.” On a more serious note, when discussing the political nature of his work, Weiwei insisted that in order to describe your view entirely to the world art is not sufficient and that writing and blogging play an integral part of delivering a clear message to the world.

  After much discussion of his activism and twittering, Ai Weiwei fired a question back to Tinari – “Can we talk about the art?” However, despite being steered by Tinari in the direction of his shows such as “So Sorry” at Haus der Kunst in Munich and other upcoming projects, what became clear is that, despite his claims that he does not make ‘political art’, Weiwei’s activism is so intrinsically entwined with his art that even he has trouble distinguishing the two.

  While his ability to talk about his own art was perhaps stunted by Ai Weiwei’s coy and deviating answers, the multi-faceted artist took time to consider the works on show at the main event of the week – Art Basel Miami Beach. Weiwei recognized that what is on show at the convention center is not Contemporary art but only the product of Contemporary – “They are collectibles.”

  See also the past CDT post, “To Use Art is Not Enough.”

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  • December 6, 2009 6:33 PM

• Zhan Bin (詹膑): 2009 Character of the Year: Wall, Climb, Push/Tweet, Topple

  

  Zhan Bin (詹膑) teaches at the Business School of the Beijing Institute of Fashion Technology and has been blogging since 2003. He wrote the following post on his Roaming and Hunting (游山打猎) blog, translated by CDT’s Paulina Hartono:

  Today, Hu Yong came to Story Garden cafe to participate in the “NGO salon.” When he spoke about the “character of the year,” not only did it recall “character of the year” discussions from the past few years, but it seemed as if ["character of the year" discussions] had already become a classic topic. Speaking about this is brings some sadness, because when we had our first discussion, “Great Firewall” had attracted everyone’s attention and garnered many votes. At that time, the word picked was “blocked.”(封)

  Getting “blocked” isn’t just restricted to the internet; it also happens in real life. Therefore, Hu Yong likewise supported the character “wall (墙),” as it exists both online and offline, using different mechanisms and methods. I kind of wanted to cast my vote for “climb” (翻) since never before had so many people learned how to use proxies, learned how to climb over the Great Firewall, understood Tor [The Onion Router] and other similar tools. Never before had so many people learned how to fix hosts, learned about API and how to use all kinds of Twitter API access methods. It’s similar offline, as many people are thinking about how to “climb over the wall” in their own lives, and search for their own place and worth.

  As a result, my 2009 “character of the year” pick was “climb.” I also wanted to propose having a “climbing methodology.” Sometimes, resistance produces martyrs, so all the more we need methods, tact, humor, deconstruction, guerilla warfare … in this way, power can accumulate and bring more value to society, allowing it to have the opportunity to improve.

  Yes, many people are using the “push/tweet” method, such as Ai Weiwei. [In Chinese, "tweet" and "push" are also homynyms.] I salute him and others. It’s not just about making the actual “push,” but more importantly, it’s using Twitter to be an online media tool, having a community approach, and having real-time communication forecast a greater communication and strength. Further, media, communities, and society per se are valuable, and have also described an online future.

  One of my friends on Twitter asked, “When will the character of the year be ‘topple (倒)’?”

  Update: I strongly advocate the following character, it better represents the spirit of 2009.
  [The character is not a real one, but a made-up character, mixing elements of the following three characters: "grass", "mud" and "horse". ]

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  • December 5, 2009 10:44 PM

• To Use Art is Not Enough

  

  The Art Newspaper reports about Ai Weiwei’s presentation at Art Basel Conversations:

  Ai’s popular blog on Chinese website Sina.com has been removed, and his activities are now limited to Twitter, on which he has around 10,000 followers. “140 characters is enough—following the operation, that is all I have the attention span for,” he said. “I cannot write long articles right now.” Twitter is blocked by the government in China, so users hack into the site.

  Recent topics on his prolific feed have included his ongoing struggle with Sichuan police over the assault, his research into the Sichuan earthquake, the nomination of Chinese writers for the International PEN Writers in Prison award and the recent Obama visit to China, often using strong language. The police in Sichuan have issued an official denial of his assault (Ai says he has a recording of the attack that took place against him), and the government has now launched a probe into his finances.

  Describing his move into the media, Ai said: “To use art is not enough, to describe your view, in the old traditional forms, such as painting, sculpture…as a citizen you need to express your views. Writing, blogging and giving interviews is a part of that, otherwise you will very easily be misunderstood by the establishment…as long as there is power and people there will be a struggle.”… Ai’s latest work is Sunflower Seeds, 2009, a pile of 1,000 handmade ceramic sunflower seeds. “These seeds, they are a memory of the Communist times, we would share these seeds with friends,” he said. He does not know what effect the Chinese government’s censorship on art exports (The Art Newspaper, November 2009, p1) will have on future shows he may have abroad—works for his previous two major shows this year at the Munich Haus der Kunst and Tokyo’s Mori Art Museum were shipped out of China before the rules came into place in August. “I think strategically China has come to a very crucial moment, they have to re-justify themselves, even the past 20 to 30 years are based on a kind of destructive, suicidal act. Now they are trying to reach a higher level, but I think in any society, culture should have its own rights, not to be touched by the government, not to be promoted by the government, also not to be destroyed by the government.”

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  • December 3, 2009 10:51 AM

• China’s Impolitic Artist, Still Waiting to Be Silenced

  

  The New York Times profiles artist and activist Ai Weiwei:

  At 52, Mr. Ai, a beefy, bearded man with an air of almost monastic composure, is an international figure in the art world, successful beyond what anyone might have predicted even a decade ago. He is a celebrated architect, a co-designer of Beijing’s landmark Bird’s Nest Olympic stadium, an installation artist and a documentary filmmaker with a 100-member staff.

  Artistically, he can do almost anything he wishes, like personally shipping 16 40-foot containers, including 9,000 custom-made children’s backpacks, from Beijing for his recent exhibition in Munich.

  Yet clearly, all is not rosy in Mr. Ai’s world. In one of his early acclaimed works, a series of three photographs called “Dropping a Han Dynasty Urn,” he dispassionately shatters a priceless ancient Chinese vase, striking a theme — destruction and recreation — that runs through much of his art.

  [...] Then there are his politics, an in-your-face criticism of China’s leaders that, given Beijing’s limited tolerance for dissent, seems almost suicidal. Long before the Olympics, Mr. Ai disavowed his role in designing the Bird’s Nest, saying the government had transformed the Olympics into a patriotic celebration instead of using them to create a more open society.

  In a 90-minute interview in his minimalist studio in north Beijing, Mr. Ai called the government unimaginative, prevaricating, suspicious of its own people and utterly focused on self-preservation.

  Read CDT’s blogger profile of Ai.

  Also related, a lengthy article in Global Times looks at Ai Weiwei and other bloggers profiled in a new book Bold China Blogs edited by the Journalism and Media Studies Center at the University of Hong Kong:

  The newly-published Bold Chinese Blog showcases public intellectuals who refuse to remain silent, dare to confront, are capable of clarifying their opinions to the public and opening up the frontiers of freedom by making comments and taking actions, according to Chan Yuen-Ying, director of the Journalism and Media Studies Center at the University of Hong Kong.

  As the Internet enjoys much broader freedom than newspapers and broadcast compa-nies, the best blogging can often be found in the cracks between traditional and new media.

  “Blogging is like making love without wearing a condom,” said magazine reporter Wang Xiaofeng, one of 17 named in the book.

  [...] To write a blog, Ai often racks his brains and knows his words might reach maybe 10,000 readers. Twitter is different, he said. He never knows how many people will read his message as it is constantly reposted by other Twitterers, spreading fast like a virus.

  Because of its high speed and unknown scope of distribution, Ai believes Twitter will replace the traditional blog.

  “A bullet targeting nowhere and anywhere is the most dangerous,” he said.

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  • November 27, 2009 7:40 PM

• China Detains Dissidents Ahead of US Visit

  

  From the Financial Times:

  Chinese police have detained dozens of dissidents and political reform advocates ahead of US President Barack Obama’s first visit to China, according to family members and human rights activists.

  The crackdown comes as human rights groups worry that Mr Obama, who arrived in China on Sunday, will play down China’s poor human rights record in order to get cooperation from Beijing on issues such as climate change, trade and the economy…At least 30 other activists who were expected to join one dissident in applying for the right to protest have also likely been detained, according to activists. They provided more than a dozen names of people whom they said had been detained.

  “We get the impression Obama doesn’t want to talk about human rights on this trip, but it is precisely because of his visit here that these people are being rounded up and detained right now,” (stated Chinese artist and political blogger Ai Weiwei) … “We’re not asking him to give us human rights, but he’s coming here to make deals and advance US interests, and we think if he doesn’t talk about the real conditions here then he shouldn’t come.”

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  • November 15, 2009 11:24 AM

• Ai Weiwei(艾未未): My Ordeal

  

  On the eve of his maiden visit to China, President Obama is getting a lot of advice. The latest comes from artist/activist Ai Weiwei. He writes in Newsweek:

  In China, there is a long history of the government not revealing information, so it’s difficult for the Chinese people to ever know the truth. It is vital that we try to bring that truth to life. But like most oppressive societies, China doesn’t have an independent judicial system. When a witness is stopped from appearing in court by the police, it means our legal system is like the mafia. And there is no independent press to ask questions.

  This week President Obama will make his first visit to China to focus on the global economy and climate change. I’m very supportive of Obama because I believe he represents great hope for America and the world—but it’s inconceivable to me that he would visit China and not put human rights on the agenda. What does it matter if China’s economy grows when there are no basic protections for its citizens? Obama must be clear about the West’s values of freedom and human dignity.

  Read CDT’s profile of Ai Weiwei.

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  • November 12, 2009 9:18 PM

• Ai Weiwei Earthquake Project: “Muyu Diary”

  

  ChinaGeeks translates a post from Ai Weiwei’s blog by a volunteer in his Numbers project about his encounter with local police while researching the Sichuan earthquake:

  Originally, I didn’t want to call, I was just going to walk over there, but the number signs on the street were gone, so I had to make the call instead. I said I’d be at the wharf, and then went there, asking directions along the way. I waited there for a half an hour. Perhaps it was this half hour that gave the police the time to burst out run hurriedly over before the person I was waiting for showed up.

  The one in front was a commander, and when he said he’d seen me before I guessed he had seen me during Tan Zuoren’s case. He was experienced; he showed me as badge as soon as he was in front of me. The dialogue [between us] was as boring as always, both sides just beating around the bush. He asked where was I from, what was I doing in Qingchuan, and used the 60th anniversary-mandated “checks” on outsiders and the concept of safeguarding river crab society [i.e., harmonious society] as excuses to arrest me.

  First we went to the Muyu police substation, where I calmly and somewhat honestly wrote a record. Now, it looks like I was thinking about things too simply. I thought when I got out of the Muyu [station] I could just leave but they took me to the Qingchuan county station. It seems like they thought I was important.

  ChinaGeeks also posts photos of Ai Weiwei’s brain, which was recently operated on to repair a subdural hematoma he received while being beaten by police in Chongqing.

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  • November 2, 2009 9:24 PM

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